Theos-Talk Archives (May 2009 Message tt00191)

The story of Nitya is a particularly touching tragedy as it touches on just 
 how uninterested Annie and the Bishop really were in the well being of 
their  charges.  When Nitya's illness became too pronounced to ignore, they 
took  him and K to a doctor who used Radionics, which at that time was new and 
cutting  edge.  The doctor prescribed rest for Nitya (as well as treating K 
for  syphillis in his nose and I don't want to know how he managed THAT). 
The advice  for rest was ignored and Nitya was dragged off on more travelling 
and that is  what actually killed him.
 
Chuck the Heretic
 
 
In a message dated 5/5/2009 4:26:22 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
schuller@alpheus.org writes:

 
 


Jiddu Krishnamurti: The Reluctant Messiah
Produced and written by Adam  Sternberg and Lisa Clark

A companion historical documentary that  accompanies Chapter 5:Journey of 
Radiance in "The Adventures of Young Indiana  Jones"

Notes

1) Whenever K makes a statement about the past it  has to be treated with 
the utmost critical care and will have to be double  checked in at least two 
independent sources as a) K himself claims to have  lost all his memories 
from his pre-1929 period, b) he was 'caught' having  perfectly clear memories 
of that period and then claim somebody else told him,  c) he made statements 
that did not pan out after some research. 

2)  Wessinger is wrong that AB and CWL thought about K as a medium in the  
particulars of the overshadowing. They talked more of a melding of the  
consciousness of K and Maitreya than K stepping out and thereby making space  
for a fragment of Maitreya.

3) No mention of the writing of "At the  Feet of the Masters," and the 
founding and early years of the Order of the  Star.

4) The reason for K to go outside of India had to do with his  father's 
lawsuit and CWL's idea that K had to go through his 2nd initiation.  Not just 
for his education. 

5) K just did not 'tolerated the  theosophists efforts' in changing his 
life and his brother's. They  enthusiastically went along with quite some parts 
of it and later K stuck to  most of his Edwardian gentleman manners, 
evenwhile it should have been easy  for him to d-condition himself from them.

6) The promise that Nitya  would be safe and make it through his illness 
was not based on a promise made  by the Masters or by CWL, but was based ona 
dream he himself had.

7)  His famous speech of dissolving the OSE was originally not read from a 
piece  of paper. (I addressed this in another e-mail)

8) A very subtle piece  of editing is when the narator says that after the 
break with the TS he was  "free to make his own choices" and you see him 
step out of a house together  with Rosalind, the wife of his manager, friend, 
publisher Rajagopal, with whom  he had a love affair from about 1932 till 
1956. (The baby you see in the doc  held by K looks like Radha, the daughter of 
Rajagopal and Rosalind)

9)  The narrator quotes K that he told a friend he was not interested in 
the WT  thing and that he "stopped performing the role he no longer believed 
in." Not  so, there are other statements where he makes the opposite claim. 
It might all  depend to whom he was speaking. To Emily Lutyens, who believed 
in him as the  vehicle, he stated that he never denied being the world 
teacher. 

In  the end the documentary looks to me like an uncritical, sympatheitc  
presentation of K with some anti-theosophical elements left standing. K and  
the Krishnamurti community might be satisfied with the result as some  
key-elements are based on K's self-perception, which is highly problematic, to  
say the least. 

Govert

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