Theos-Talk Archives (May 2009 Message tt00188)

Jiddu Krishnamurti: The Reluctant Messiah
Produced and written by Adam Sternberg and Lisa Clark

A companion historical documentary that accompanies Chapter 5:Journey of Radiance in "The Adventures of Young Indiana Jones"

Notes

1) Whenever K makes a statement about the past it has to be treated with the utmost critical care and will have to be double checked in at least two independent sources as a) K himself claims to have lost all his memories from his pre-1929 period, b) he was 'caught' having perfectly clear memories of that period and then claim somebody else told him, c) he made statements that did not pan out after some research. 

2) Wessinger is wrong that AB and CWL thought about K as a medium in the particulars of the overshadowing. They talked more of a melding of the consciousness of K and Maitreya than K stepping out and thereby making space for a fragment of Maitreya.

3) No mention of the writing of "At the Feet of the Masters," and the founding and early years of the Order of the Star.

4) The reason for K to go outside of India had to do with his father's lawsuit and CWL's idea that K had to go through his 2nd initiation. Not just for his education. 

5) K just did not 'tolerated the theosophists efforts' in changing his life and his brother's. They enthusiastically went along with quite some parts of it and later K stuck to most of his Edwardian gentleman manners, evenwhile it should have been easy for him to d-condition himself from them.

6) The promise that Nitya would be safe and make it through his illness was not based on a promise made by the Masters or by CWL, but was based ona dream he himself had.

7) His famous speech of dissolving the OSE was originally not read from a piece of paper. (I addressed this in another e-mail)

8) A very subtle piece of editing is when the narator says that after the break with the TS he was "free to make his own choices" and you see him step out of a house together with Rosalind, the wife of his manager, friend, publisher Rajagopal, with whom he had a love affair from about 1932 till 1956. (The baby you see in the doc held by K looks like Radha, the daughter of Rajagopal and Rosalind)

9) The narrator quotes K that he told a friend he was not interested in the WT thing and that he "stopped performing the role he no longer believed in." Not so, there are other statements where he makes the opposite claim. It might all depend to whom he was speaking. To Emily Lutyens, who believed in him as the vehicle, he stated that he never denied being the world teacher.  

In the end the documentary looks to me like an uncritical, sympatheitc presentation of K with some anti-theosophical elements left standing. K and the Krishnamurti community might be satisfied with the result as some key-elements are based on K's self-perception, which is highly problematic, to say the least.   

Govert





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