Theos-Talk Archives (May 2009 Message tt00013)

Dear friends

My views are:

MKR wrote:
"So it is obvious that the Indian TS members practice what they preach."


Please. I do not find it so obvious. Let us stay within truth instead of turning - all - the TS members in India into saints, when they yet are not so. And if they preach the "back-to-worship-and-belief-bhakti-Krishanmurti" teachings instead of the esoteric teachings of the Divine within I will have to find that kind of preaching not to be in accordance with the original programe. And the physical Shrines at TS Adyar are telling the truth I mentioned before when quoting the Gallant Olcott and his attempt to build a Shrine. 
(See  "THE LETTERS OF H. P. BLAVATSKY to  A. P. SINNETT", p. 163-165 - http://www.phx-ult-lodge.org/Letters%20of%20HPB.htm )



H. P. Blavatsky wrote:
"Whenever "Madame Blavatsky does not approve" of "an action of the General Council,"1 she will say so openly and to their faces. Because (a) Madame Blavatsky does not owe the slightest allegiance to a Council which is liable at any moment to issue silly and untheosophical ukases; and (b) for the simple reason that she recognizes but one person in the T. S. besides herself, namely Colonel Olcott, as having the right of effecting fundamental re-organizations in a Society which owes its life to them, and for which they are both karmically responsible. If the acting editor makes slight account of a sacred pledge, neither Col. Olcott nor H. P. Blavatsky are likely to do so. H. P. Blavatsky will always bow before the decision of the majority of a Section or even a simple Branch; but she will ever protest against the decision of the General Council, were it composed of Archangels and Dhyan Chohans themselves, if their decision seems to her unjust, or untheosophical, or fails to meet with the approval of the majority of the Fellows. No more than H. P. Blavatsky has the President Founder the right of exercising autocracy or papal powers, and Col. Olcott would be the last man in the world to attempt to do so. It is the two Founders and especially the President, who have virtually sworn allegiance to the Fellows, whom they have to protect, and teach those who want to be taught, and not to tyrannize and rule over them. "



So that is a quite different Lady for you there, my dear MKR. HPB would never have kept her mouth shut, when the members need to be protected. And are you telleing me that the General Counsil have improved since the HPB days? Right now it seem that the only members, which are important are those in India, and not those abroad? A TS headed by nationalism or a builder of Shrines for "Worship? And all this while they even allow the phallic LCC within the TS Adyar compund?


I know, I know. The business as usual. The answer is as always: Silence!




M. Sufilight



  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: MKR 
  To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com ; theos-l 
  Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 7:33 AM
  Subject: Theos-World Indian Section and President Election â A View





  Indian Section and President Election â A View

  In a letter dated September, 26, Annie Besant wrote to George Arundale, âAs
  you are to succeed me as President, I think you should come over here. This
  is our most numerous Section, and you must win its affection, before the
  election of 1928..â. Besant was an outstanding leader and consummate
  organizer and she well knows first hand the need for the affection of the
  members.

  Let us look at the significance of Besantâs comment on the need for Arundale
  to âwin the affection of the Indian Sectionâ.

  Indian Section is the largest Section at that time and continues to be so
  today. Many especially in the West, seem to forget that TS is not the
  typical business organization. It was not chartered by the genius of a few
  mortals sitting around a dinner table. Anyone who has read the early history
  of the TS knows that the idea and impetus for the launch came from the Inner
  Founders and HPB and HSO acted as Their Agents. Also in the early formation
  years, the Founding President was in close contact with several members of
  the Lodge and was privy to their wise counsel. The fine tuning of the
  organization was done with Their advise and help.

  We all know that HPB & HSO moved the HQ to India under their direct orders
  at a time when the future in India was unknown. Looking back, the wisdom of
  the decision to move the HQ to India is clearly evident from the fact that
  the Indian Section has been steadily growing and becoming larger and larger
  when the situation outside India is sad when we hear of stagnant sections
  and a few small section not having chartered a single new lodge in 50 years.

  It is self evident that the significant size of the membership in India has
  deep implications for anyone trying to get elected President. No one can
  get elected without a significant support from the members in the Indian
  Section.

  The country has a unique track record of de facto practicing the
  Brotherhood. India, as a country, had elected leaders from minorities such
  as Islam, Christian, Untouchables, men and women.

  As for TS, N SriRam was the first President of TS from India. Olcott was
  from the USA, Besant was a Englishwoman, Arundale was a Englishman,
  Jinarajadasa was from Sri Lanka (formerly Ceylon), John Coats was an
  Englishman. And of course Radha Burnier is from India.

  It is to be pointed out that when John Coats ran as a candidate, the other
  two candidates were Rukmini Arundale and Radha Burnier. Rukmini was very
  well known in India due to her role in the revival of Indian Dance and her
  activism in Animal Welfare. She was a member of the Parliament and declined
  nomination as the President of India. Radha Burnier has been active in TS
  life long and was the General Secretary of the Indian Section for years and
  so was very well known to Indian members. Still John Coats was elected as
  the President. I think John Coats won the election because he won the
  affection of the Indian Section members in spite of other two well known
  candidates.

  So it is obvious that the Indian TS members practice what they preach. They
  are ready to elect a candidate without prejudice of their national origin or
  other factors that normally plays a part in all elections. To understand
  this, all you need to look at the TS in America. While there is a
  significant Afro-American, Hispanic, and Asian population in the USA, TS in
  America has never had a Afro-American or Hispanic President (National
  Secretary) to this day. On this is a fact, we are likely to hear numerous
  reasons from those who may be offended by this comment. (Members in the USA
  still remember the saga of what happened when Bing Escudero, who migrated
  from Philippines challenged the establishment candidate and lost. This is
  something no body wants to talk about.)

  In the light of the above, Indian Sectionâs support and affection is
  essential for anyone who wants to run for the presidency and win and head a
  thriving TS. Past history shows that the Indian Section is quite open minded
  in supporting the candidates, which demonstrated their practice of
  Brotherhood

  Let us look at the last election. Some of leaders who supported the
  non-candidate candidate, spread the erroneous and untruthful information
  that the sitting President Radha Burnier is sick both mentally and
  physically and hence should be defeated. Even after three independent
  physicians from two continents (one from Europe) certified her fit, both
  mentally and physically, no attempt was made by the leaders to provide this
  fact to their members. The motivation seems to be the wishful thinking that
  the sickness allegation will work to defeat Radha Burnier. Theosophists
  expect their brothers and sisters to be truthful in their dealings with each
  other. While Indian Section literacy level may not be that high, most have
  enough common sense to see false as false. In the mind of members of Indian
  Section, this poor health allegation in the face of physician
  certifications, lowered the opinion of the leaders behind the allegation.

  Soon after the election, allegations were also made against the Indian
  Section about election procedure trying to cast doubts about the election
  results. Many members were upset and publicly questioned the allegers to
  substantiate their allegations. What was the result? Simple silence. Silence
  spoke louder than words and again lowered the opinion of the members in the
  leaders behind the allegation.

  Next was the shocking revelation of the secret move by some leaders from the
  USA and West, to disenfranchise the membersâ right to directly elect the
  President. It was an ultra secret move and was to have been quickly approved
  and implemented and take members by surprise. Due to the good luck of TS and
  help of Internet this was discovered and broadcast around the world.

  India was a British Colony for 200 years and today the largest democracy in
  the world. Every man, woman and child in India understand what voting right
  is. A handful of leaders from the West trying to secretly take away the
  right, made many of the members really upset. Again this attempt to take
  away the voting right is very easily seen through by even illiterate
  members.

  To head and lead an organization such as TS needs to win the affection of
  the members of the largest Section. All the above actions have actually
  severely poisoned the atmosphere. Anyone who wants to get elected as the
  president needs to win the affection of the Indian Section, since it is the
  largest section and is growing in size.

  The above actions by some of the leaders are some of the most damaging and
  foolish in our lifetime. The damage they have caused is going to last a long
  time and because motives of any candidate from outside India running for the
  president would be automatically suspect. In such circumstances, I do not
  know if any of the current (formal and informal) âleadersâ in the West have
  thought of any radical actions to restore confidence and trust in the
  leaders from the West. This exercise is not going to be either quick or
  easy. Not doing anything, is only going to make the matters worse and future
  leaders from the West will find their task very difficult.

  MKR

  THERE IS NO RELIGION HIGHER THAN TRUTH

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