Theos-Talk Archives (April 2009 Message tt00374)

Dear Morten,

Thanks for the HPB articles on her own IU. Finally got around reading them, but have no energy left to comment. It sounds plausible, but also quite contradictory with her both trashing and praising the book. 

Wonder now how much of IU reappeared, but in better shape, in SDIII, the 3rd volume allegedly to have been intended as the introductory, historical study to the more systmatic Cosmo- and Anthropo-genesis. 

Best

Govert


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Morten Nymann Olesen 
  To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 12:55 PM
  Subject: Re: Theos-World re: Who was the real Jesus?


  Dear Govert

  My views are:

  About Isis Unveiled, we all know, that HPB later admitted, that it contained a number of mistakes. We have it in writing. I think it is mentioned in an article of hers. I have to find it so to show it to you. 
  (Here is one and a letter: http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v7/y1886_002.htm and also http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v13/y1891_024.htm "It is all trash" says HPB. - and http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v7/y1886_006.htm)

  And by reading the Table of Contents in Volume 2 of Isis Unveiled, I see no reason to be confused about who Jesus was. (Magic and sorcery practised by Christian clergy . . . 20 ; - Christian dogmas derived from heathen philosophy . . . 33; - Bloody records of Christianity . . . 53 ; - Christian symbolism derived from Phallic worship . . . 109; - Jesus never claimed to be God . . . 193; - Buddha, Jesus, and Apollonius of Tyana . . . 341 ; -Neither Buddha nor Jesus left written records . . . 559; - The Bible less authenticated than any other sacred book . . . 577; )

  Isis Unveiled. Vol 2., p. 341
  " Apollonius, a contemporary of Jesus of Nazareth, was, like him, an enthusiastic founder of a new spiritual school. Perhaps less metaphysical and more practical than Jesus, less tender and perfect in his nature, he nevertheless inculcated the same quintessence of spirituality, and the same high moral truths. His great mistake was to confine them too closely to the higher classes of society. While to the poor and the humble Jesus preached "Peace on earth and good will to men," Apollonius was the friend of kings, and moved with the aristocracy."
  http://www.phx-ult-lodge.org/Isis_Unveiled.htm

  Always remember at tree is known on its fruits.

  And the Bible? And the Christian Priests promoting dogmas and rest of reason and visdom? What fruits are there in such an activity?

  M. Sufilight

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Govert Schuller 
  To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 2:37 AM
  Subject: Theos-World re: Who was the real Jesus?

  I just read some of the paragraphs on Jesus in HPB's "Isis Unveiled" and did get the strong impression that she did consider him a historical person set in the time that most people think he existed. The only mythic element about Jesus are the later mythic additions to the historical person. There is a reference to the 100 BCE Jesus, but that is presented as the Jewish take on Jesus and not as the true take. And if you look up Jesus in the index of IU and read the small sub-headings Jesus seems to be presented as quite historical. Unless these passages are better explained as propping up her later claim, they have to be seen as either an early mistake, or HPB was not yet informed about the 'real' Jesus, or it reflected her own development in understanding the topic. In either case the contradiction doesn't seem to lie so much in the difference between Morton and Daniel as in HPB's work itself. 

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Anand 
  To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 4:39 PM
  Subject: Theos-World Re: Blavatsky on CARNALIZING the central figure of the New Testament

  --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "danielhcaldwell" <danielhcaldwell@...> wrote:
  >
  > H.P. Blavatsky wrote in December 1887:
  > 
  .
  > . . . true Theosophists will never accept ...a Christ made
  > Flesh. . . .[390]
  > ------------------------------------------------------
  > 
  > Quoted from H.P. Blavatsky's COLLECTED WRITINGS, Volume VIII.
  > caps added.
  > 
  > http://hpb.cc
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  Compare Daniel's above message with message of other follower of Blavatsky, Morten. He wrote in his message 49429 this and says historical Jesus existed. It shows how two followers of Blavatsky had contradictory ideas and it shows how Blavatsky's writing creates confusion. Below is Morten's message.
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  1. H. P. Blavatsky, in Isis Unviled, p. xii:
  "To you," said Jesus to his elect disciples, "it is given to know the mysteries
  of the Kingdom of God, but to them [ the polloi^ ] it is not given; . . .
  therefore speak I to them in parables [or allegories]; because they seeing, see
  not, and hearing, they hear not, neither do they understand." - Gospel
  according to Matthew, xiii. 11, 13.
  http://www.phx-ult-lodge.org/isis_unveiled1.htm

  There are several examples, where HPB clearly were alluding to the fact that
  Jesus was a historical person. Try H. P. Blavatsky, Isis Unveiled, 1877, vol. I,
  p. xxxviii, 2, 34, 57, 130, 138 etc. etc. And try H. P. Blavatsky, (The
  beginners book) The Key to Theosophy, 1889, p. 47, 49, 71, 72, 79, 81 etc etc..
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  Best
  Anand Gholap

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