Theos-Talk Archives (April 2009 Message tt00266)

I think it is not merely communication. Of course things have changed since 
 my mother was young back in the days of King Arthur when the monk would 
write  the message on a little piece of parchment, give it to Robin Hood who 
would then  put it on an arrow and shoot it and the person for whom it was 
intended would  pull the arrow out of whomever it stuck in, take the message 
to another monk who  would then read it.
 
Politics in the TS has always been dirty.  In fact it has usually been  so 
Byzantine that Emperor Justinian may have created it.  We've had  everything 
except assassination and how the TS has managed to avoid that never  ceases 
to amaze me.
 
Chuck the Heretic
 
 
In a message dated 4/21/2009 3:56:21 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
mkr777@gmail.com writes:

 
 


Hello, everyone. Nice to see Katinka share her views. I would like to add  a
few facts.

The simplest Internet application is email. These days  a lot of people
including older and middle aged folks in the West use it to  keep in touch
with their family and friends. If one can type with two  fingers, one can
write a msg and email it. Age is not a barrier. My mother  learnt how to 
send
email when she was 80 years of age. (She was born and  grew up in India.) 
She
quit sending email only when her eye sight became  bad.

During the last one year, a lot of significant events have taken  place in
TS. Except a few well known members, no one has come out on the  Internet
with any views on the events. This is very significant.

The  comment about Krotona simply highlights the fact that the cream of  the
dedicated, knowledgeable and experienced theosophists who are  deeply
committed to theosophy and TS have kept silent on the events.  Ordinary
members especially the rookies (newbees) find this totally  perplexing
because there is a severe disconnect between what they hear of  basic
theosophical ideas and what they see in action.

All some of us  can do is to do is go to the top of the tower and shout that
the house is  on fire. Hope some one hears.

MKR

There is no religion higher  than truth

On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 2:44 AM, Katinka Hesselink  <
_mail@katinkahesselimail@k_ (mailto:mail@katinkahesselink.net) >  wrote:

>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I think a lot of  the current confusion is due to the fact that the old
> hands at Krotona  (and in Wheaton & in Adyar) just don't know what to do 
with
> the  new media which are used to spread information and misinformation,
>  innuendo and fact.
>
> I was talking with my mother just this  morning about this. She is used to
> the slow communication methods of  her youth. Getting used to students who
> rap out a fast reply to just  about any question is hard for her. 
Similarly
> our leaders are in a  position that is hardly enviable: the internet and
> e-mail are used to  spread ideas, thoughts, opinions - but the habits of 
how
> to respond to  them have not been formed. With the result that people 
decide
> on what  used to be the best response to many problems: just let it blow
> past.  Giving energy to something will only strengthen it, after all.
>
>  Or in other words 'if you have nothing to say that would contribute,  
hold
> your tongue'. But, as both writers below have noticed, this no  longer 
works
> in the same way. And another saying becomes pertinent:  'inaction in a 
deed
> of mercy is a deadly sin' (mahatma quote I  think).
>
> I'm not saying it is a deadly sin. I'm saying that we  are in the midst 
of a
> culture learning to deal with a new technology  that is changing the way 
we
> communicate. And the people at the top are  called on to learn to deal 
with
> them while in the spotlight. It's not  surprising they are making serious
> mistakes while doing so - because  it takes another way of dealing with
> emotions than they grew up  with.
>
> So I'm not surprised at not having heard from Krotona.  I'm not sure I 
blame
> them either.
>
> There's a digital  divide here - and some are crossing it with skill, 
others
> without -  and some are simply not crossing it at all. It really is too 
much
> to  expect people in their eighties to do more than observe what's going  
on
> online.
>
> Katinka Hesselink
> _http://www.allconsihttp://www._ (http://www.allconsidering.com/) 
>  _http://www.katinkahhttp://wwhttp_ (http://www.katinkahesselink.net/) 
>  _http://www.overpeinhttp://ww_ (http://www.overpeinzende.nl/) 
>
>  --- In _theos-talk@yahoogrotheos-t_ (mailto:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com)  
 <theos-talk%theos-talk%<WBthe>,
> "t_s_theosophist"  <THEOSOPHIST@THE> wrote:
> >
> >
>  >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ???  MORAL LEADERSHIP ???
> >
> >
> > It certainly takes  no degree of clairvoyance to realize that a certain
> group of General  Secretaries, labeled "The Quartet" has been playing 
"Dirty
> Politics."  Anyone with a Clear and Perceptive Mind can see this.
> >
>  >
> > First....An attempt to depict Radha Burnier as physically  & mentally
> unfit to hold office, contrary to the medical evidence  of three reputable
> physicans.
> >
> >
> >  Second...A clandestine attempt to dis-enfranchise T.S. members from
>  voting.
> >
> >
> > Third...An untrue and  unwarranted attack on the veracity of the Indian
> Section, with no  evidence to substantiate the allegations.
> >
> >
>  > Fourth ...An attempt to disrupt the business of the General  Council
> meeting.
> >
> >
> > And Now a  passive/agressive promotion to bias the membership against
>  Adyar.
> >
> >
> > In the note below, M.K. Ramadoss  raises a profound question which is on
> the minds of not only many  Theosophists but also the internet public at
> large.
>  >
> >
> > I would also add: What is the Karma of Silence  when confronted with the
> Sinister and unmoral activity that The  "Quartet" has been and continues 
to
> promote?
> >
>  >
> > Fraternaly;
> >
> > William  Delahunt
> >
> >
> >  ----------------<WBR>-
> >
> >
> > M.K.  RAMADOSS COMMENTS:
> >
> >
> > From what I  understand, Krotona residents are long-time dedicated 
members
> of TS  and I am also told that they are also members of esoteric section.
>  >
> >
> > Many of the residents are past and present  theosophical leaders,
> lecturers and writers. So, rookie members assume  that the cream of wisdom
> resides there.
> >
>  >
> > For ordinary members who have been following the events  since the
> beginning of the international election last year, the  silence of 
members at
> Krotona is a real puzzle.
> >
>  >
> > There was the spreading of the untruth about Radha Burnier's  health by
> some leaders world-wide. Even after this untruth was proven  false, the
> leaders took no action to fix their earlier  allegations.
> >
> >
> > Then came the unproven  allegations of procedural errors in the election
> in India.
>  >
> >
> > Final bombshell was the ultra secret attempt to  seize control of
> presidency by disenfranchising members world-wide,  which was fortunately
> discovered in time and broadcast over Internet  and TS was saved from a
> disaster.
> >
> >
>  > During all of the above, we did not hear a single word of protest  
against
> any of the above from any of the leaders " past and present"  residing at
> Krotona.
> >
> >
> > Is the  above behaviour a reflection of the fear of the consequences of
>  calling a spade a spade or they do not see what was going on?
>  >
> >
> > We have read in the historical accounts, men  and women losing even 
their
> lives in their
> > fight for  Truth. Are we seeing the real effects of Kali Yuga?
> >
>  >
> > Rookie and ordinary members are really perplexed.
>  >
> >
> > M.K. Ramadoss
> >
> > There  is no religion higher than truth
> >
> >
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> >
> >
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> >
> >
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