Theos-Talk Archives (April 2009 Message tt00066)

I'm not so sure why the Mahatmas allowed their Gelug School to go on fire with the Rime movement. Well doesn't matter now the great damage has been done, the lines are almost blurred, thankfully there is still some contrast with Dorje Shugden, to oppose the dangerous and misleading paths.

Alex

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Drpsionic@... wrote:
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> They would because there is no reason why they should not.  A Master,  by 
> definition, would take a much longer view of things than the immediate  behavior.
>  
> Chuck the Heretic
>  
>  
> In a message dated 4/4/2009 4:18:03 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> alexmorgan777@... writes:
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>  
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> Why would the Masters of the right had path support those of the left and  
> their movement?
> Do we not know about Bon? Do we not know about the Red Hats  who mix with the 
> practices of Bon? Is it right to have sex, drink alcohol etc.  and practice 
> tantra like many of the Nyingmas do?
> 
> Alex 
> 
> --- In  _theos-talk@yahoogrotheos-t_ (mailto:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com) ,  
> "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-theosophy@glo>  wrote:
> >
> > Dear friends
> > 
> > 
> > My views  are:
> > 
> > Allow me to throw a few thoughts and ask some  questions...
> > 
> > 
> > ******* 1 *******
> > 
> > I  discovered the following in K. Paul Johnsons book "Initiations of 
> Theosophical  Masters" on page 49.
> > 
> > "Another royal sponsor of the TS,  Maharaja Bikram Singh of Faridkot, was 
> by 1886 emboiled in a dispute which  rent asunder the Singh Sabha. Bikram 
> Singh, patron of the organization, was  allied with Thakar Singh Sandhanwalia (KH), 
> Baba Khem Singh Bedi (the Chohan),  and Dayal Singh Majithia (Djual Kul) in 
> support of a military uprising against  the British." (p. 49)
> > 
> > I wonder what the view of Djual Kul  being identical with Dayal Singh 
> Majithia is based on?
> > 
> >  
> > - - - Some info about Dayal Singh Majithia - - -
> > 
> >  Dayal Singh Majithia was said to be present at the 1884 TS Convent.
> >  Now where is he on the picture?
> > _http://www.blavatskhttp://wwwhttp://www.blavahtt_ 
> (http://www.blavatskyarchives.com/hpbphotos18.htm) 
> >  
> > Wikipedia says about Dayal Singh Majithia (1848-1898) 
> > _http://en.wikipediahttp://en.http://en.whttp://e_ 
> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyal_Singh_Majithia) 
> >  
> > Dayal Singh Majithia was for instance a writer and the founder of the  
> India newspaper named The Tribune.
> > 
> > And Annie Besant talked  warmly about Dayal Singh Majithia :
> > _http://www.geocitiehttp://www.geocihttp://www.gehttp://www_ 
> (http://www.geocities.com/dyalsinghcollegekarnal/singh.html) 
> >  
> > In this expanded bio he was for instance in heavy Correspondances  with a 
> muslim named Maulvi Sayed Ali Muhammad
> > _http://www.tribuneihttp://wwhttp://www.trihttp://w_ 
> (http://www.tribuneindia.com/2003/20030909/edit.htm) 
> >  
> > 
> > Are there any more info on who D. K. really was?
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > ******* 2 *******
> > 
> > 
> >  ***A***
> > "The Twelfth Dalai Lama, Trinley Gyatso
> > 
> > The  Twelfth Dalai Lama, Trinley Gyatso was born in 1856 in Lhoka, a place 
> near  Lhasa to Phuntsok Tsewang and Tsering Yudon.
> > 
> > In 1858, the  young boy as Dalai Lama was escorted to Lhasa where Reting 
> Ngawang Yeshi  Tsultrim Gyaltsen, the regent gave him the name
> > Thupten Gyatso. In  1860, at the age of five he took the novice vows of 
> monkhood from the Gaden  Throne Holder Lobsang Khenrab and he was
> > enthroned in the Potala  Palace. In 1873, at the age of eighteen, he took 
> on full responsibility as  both spiritual and political leader of Tibet. In
> > 1875, he died at the  age of twenty in the Potala Palace."
> > 
> > 
> > *** B  ***
> > Thubten Gyatso the 13th Dalai Lama (enthroned in 1879) was born as  far 
> away as Lake Baikal.
> > -
> > "The Thirteenth Dalai Lama, Thupten  Gyatso
> > 
> > The Thirteenth Dalai Lama, Thupten Gyatso, was born in  the year of the 
> Fire Bird in 1876 at Thakpo Langdun in south Tibet to Kunga  Rinchen
> > and Lobsang Dolma, a peasant couple.
> > 
> > In 1878,  he was recognized as the reincarnation of the Dalai Lama 
> following predictions  from the state oracles and auspicious signs at his birth.
> > He was  escorted to Lhasa where he was ordained into monkhood by the 
> Panchen Lama,  Tenpai Wangchuk, and was given the name Ngawang
> > Lobsang Thupten Gyatso  Jigdral Chokley Namgyal. In 1879, the Thirteenth 
> Dalai Lama was enthroned at  the Potala Palace."
> > 
> > - - -
> > Was the founders ( ) of the  Rime Movement of Tibetan Buddhism involved 
> with the theosophical  Masters?
> > _http://en.wikipediahttp://en.http://en.wik_ 
> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rime_movement) 
> >  _http://en.wikipediahttp://en.http://en.wikipehttp://_ 
> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamyang_Khyentse_Wangpo) 
> >  _http://en.wikipediahttp://en.http://en.wikipehttp://en.w_ 
> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamgon_Kongtrul_Lodro_Thaye) 
> >  
> > The Rime Movements importance until today:
> > "In summary, the  Rime movement is a timely and unique movement with great 
> consequences, owing  much to the two 19th century luminaries Khyentse Wangpo 
> and Jamgon Kongtrul.  Without their incredible efforts compiling and 
> transmitting teachings, it is  likely that much Buddhist literature would have been 
> lost. It helped break the  custom of single lineage teachings which isolated some 
> schools from others,  and it established a platform from which people could 
> view all schools with  equal respect. In fact Lord Buddha himself forbade his 
> students to criticize  teachers and teachings from other traditions and 
> cultures. This is what Rime  is all about."
> > _http://www.rimebuddhttp://wwhttp://wwwhttp://ww_ 
> (http://www.rimebuddhism.com/tradition_rime.html) 
> >  - - -
> > 
> > Are there any more info on who D. K. really  was?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > M. Sufilight
> > 
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