Theos-Talk Archives (April 2009 Message tt00049)

Dear Keith,

Thank you for your response.  I would like to point out that I think you are missing the severity of the position that the TS Adyar is in at this moment.

You say that TS New Zealand and TS America are not accepting the results of the election and are continuing to cause trouble.  I suspect these are not the only culprits.  Circumstantial evidence indicates that there is a power play happening right now.  The cabal that is trying to take power must have known that their election gambit might fail, so no doubt they had a follow up plan.  Radha has to gather evidence and get to the bottom of this.  When she does, certain leaders of sections around the world are going to be expelled from the Adyar Society.  These leaders know this. So right now, if they were rational, they would be poisoning the minds of their membership against Adyar so that when they are expelled they will still have national support for their leadership.

The membership of the Adyar TS currently have a choice to make, fight back against their corrupt national leadership, or split from Adyar.  If they succeed in running these people from power, they have another decision to make, are they going to reconstitute the Society to ensure this type of thing is much harder in the future or are they going to do nothing and let it all happen again.

You say that long standing members are turning away and leaving the Society over the hostility.  I am sure that many of these members are wonderful people, a pleasure to have in a social gathering, and possibly good students of theoretical theosophy; but in the end they are what I would call fair-weather theosophists.   They are unwilling to practice theosophy.  You are going to lose many of these people over the next little while, I wouldn't worry about it.  If you are going to stay and fight for your Society, you need people who are willing to fight for the Truth, not people who are going to run at the first sign of trouble.

If a study of the history of theosophy has taught us anything, it is that the Theosophical Society is not a haven for those seeking peace and tranquility.  More often it has been a battleground where people are given the opportunity to evolve forth there better or worse natures.  People who are interested in peace and tranquility should go to the Ashrams, or convents, or whatever.  Theosophy is not for them.

Theosophy was created to help bring more light and truth to humanity.  Truth and brotherhood are cornerstones of the Society.  Karma is getting ready to separate the chaff from the wheat.  Those too weak to stand up for these principles are going to leave.

Of those that stay, some are little more than tools.  One group will listen to their ES leaders and be persuaded to do what the leadership says the Masters command.  Regrettably this group cannot be trusted.  Another group will listen to what their priests or bishops say many will act in concert with those directives.  Neither of these groups are going to be particularly wedded to truth and brotherhood in the coming battle.  More likely they will be interested in power and self-preservation.

You will need to find independent-minded theosophists and rally them to fight.  As Krishna points out to Arjuna, the results of the fight are not important, rather doing your duty as theosophists, protecting the ideals of Truth and Brotherhood are what is important.  

Keith, I suspect this cabal has been working among the Society for years.  They have pruned away from the Society those "trouble-makers" who would be causing them the most trouble at this time.  TS in Canada and other autonomous Sections are gone.  Individual Members who would not play ball are gone.  However, this does not mean that anyone should give up.  It does not matter who wins or loses this battle, what matters is that enough theosophists put up the good fight.

Good Luck,
Bruce 


--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "keith_fisher@..." <exsecy@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Bruce
> 
> Your guess is as good as mine on all these questions.
> 
> Hopefully, there will be no split, there are much better 
> ways to achieve harmony.  It is up to members to see
> the folly of their own ways, correct any errors, and unite
> to restore peace and tranquillity.
> 
> Most members do not know what is going on, those who
> have found out are usually sickened by it, and we have
> lost quite a few long standing members.  Who can blame 
> them walking away from such hostility.
> 
> I sincerely hope the problems are resolved soon.
> 
> Best wishes
> Keith
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "robert_b_macd" <robert.b.macdonald@> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Dear Keith,
> > 
> > Given the polarization that seems to be happening right now at Adyar, are we going to see another split resulting from this?
> > 
> > If there is such a split, will there be an opportunity for some kind of theosophical congress, where the average member might be given a voice on charting a new direction for the Adyar Society?
> > 
> > I am no longer a member of the Adyar Society, but I am interested as to what people might be saying behind the scenes.
> > 
> > Sincerely,
> > Bruce
> > 
> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "keith_fisher@" <exsecy@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear Morton
> > > 
> > > It would probably take me two months to answer all those questions
> > > and at best they would only be my opinions, which I am trying to
> > > avoid giving on this thread.
> > > 
> > > While TS members have freedom of thought they will follow many paths,
> > > religions, and schools of thought.  All of their opinions vary.
> > > None of them are binding on any TS member.
> > > 
> > > In relation to your Q7, I don't know of any TS leaders claiming
> > > to be in contact with Masters.  Perhaps, they are all too evolved
> > > to even mention it!
> > > 
> > > I am sorry to be dismissive, but I think it is very important for
> > > me to stick to the facts of recent events, the truth of which has
> > > not been given.  I will leave it to others to form opinions for
> > > later debate.
> > > 
> > > Best wishes
> > > Keith
> > > 
> > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-theosophy@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Dear Keith
> > > > 
> > > > My views are:
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks a lot. That is as far as I am concerned a good e-mail.
> > > > 
> > > > I have tons of questions to ask.
> > > > But I will try to narrow it down to a "few".
> > > > 
> > > > Maybe you find my questions to be a bit off topic.
> > > > But think, that if you relate them to the words in your e-mail, you will find that they could be relevant give an answer.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 1. What core teachings are today followed in TS Adyar, when compared to the days when H. P. Blavatsky lived? And have those changes been created in accordance with the original programe given by HPB and the Masters? Or are they more in accordance with for instance J. Krishnamurtis or C. W. Leadbeaters views?
> > > > 
> > > > 2.  Are TS today following the view given by HPB on the importance to protest against deviations from the theosophical teachings by the use of the Theosophical magazines or similar medias?
> > > > 
> > > > 3. Have TS changed its views upon the - level of - rejection of dogma and Christianity and Islam since HPB left the physical world? And to what degree or level? 
> > > > 
> > > > 4. Is God a "he" and/ or a physical being as most a great number of theosophical books on sale tells us? Are one required to believe in J. Krishnamurti as a World Teacher today? And if not, how can that be reconciled with the fact that TS are selling books about him?
> > > > 
> > > > 5. Can TS leaders today imagine persons who have been victims of child abuse to feel themselves to be WELL-comed and happy  members of the TS? And if yes, how is that to come about, when everyone talks negatively about C. W. Leabeaters past supposed sexually related "deeds" or activities? And if so, how can that be reconciled with the fact that TS today are selling books written by C. W. Leadbeater?
> > > > 
> > > > 6. How are TS today relating to issues like UFOs, Cropcirlcles ("present day Mahatma Letters"?), and the so-called "Disclosure Project", while not being involved with Political activity?
> > > > 
> > > > 7. Are any TS leaders today claiming to be in contact with the Masters like in the old days of TS?
> > > > 
> > > > 8. Are the TS today succeding in the aim given by HPB to end the strife among various religions? (See The Key to Theosophy, p. 2-3.) If not why not, do you think?
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Some of these question have maybe been answered somewhere before.
> > > > But I find them to be forwarded in various ways almost similar or relating very much to the above written by me, by a lot of persons on the Internet.
> > > > 
> > > > I will leave it up to you if you want to answer any of these questions.
> > > > Silence is of course also an answer.
> > > > - - -
> > > > 
> > > > H. P. Blavatsky wrote the article: "IS DENUNCIATION A DUTY?" 
> > > > http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v10/y1888_091.htm
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > It was said: There is no religion higher than Truth.
> > > > 
> > > > - - -
> > > > About me: 
> > > > I have since childhood been a student of the theosophical teachings. 
> > > > In my view: Atma=Brahman.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > M. Sufilight
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >   ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > >   From: keith_fisher@ 
> > > >   To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
> > > >   Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 8:11 PM
> > > >   Subject: Theos-World TS Adyar - The Truth Unveiled
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >   Dear Friends
> > > > 
> > > >   I returned from the Theosophical Society in Adyar on 
> > > >   1 March 2009 after serving a six months term as the 
> > > >   International Secretary. A critical situation arose in 
> > > >   August last year on the surprise resignation of the 
> > > >   Secretary, and I was asked to drop my life to take up the 
> > > >   position for a short length of time. I agreed to do a six
> > > >   month term and was appointed on 1 September 2008.
> > > > 
> > > >   Since returning home I have had time to read the untruthful,
> > > >   inaccurate statements posted on the TS American website,
> > > >   regarding Adyar and the General Council Meeting in December,
> > > >   including the venomous, destructive statements emanating
> > > >   from New Zealand. 
> > > > 
> > > >   This disgraceful situation needs addressing, as many TS members
> > > >   naturally place trust in their elected section leaders. 
> > > > 
> > > >   I now find myself in the unique position of knowing the truth
> > > >   of these matters while holding no official position in the 
> > > >   Theosophical Society, except that I am an Australian member.
> > > > 
> > > >   I would therefore, like to offer my services to members of the
> > > >   group who would like to know the truth. I do not wish to enter
> > > >   into lengthy dialogue, but I am willing to answer any sensible
> > > >   questions, truthfully, and to the best of my ability.
> > > > 
> > > >   Best wishes
> > > >   Keith Fisher
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >   
> > > > 
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