Theos-Talk Archives (April 2009 Message tt00031)

Me too.


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: robert_b_macd 
  To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 1:48 AM
  Subject: Re: Theos-World TS Adyar - The Truth Unveiled



  Dear Keith,

  Given the polarization that seems to be happening right now at Adyar, are we going to see another split resulting from this?

  If there is such a split, will there be an opportunity for some kind of theosophical congress, where the average member might be given a voice on charting a new direction for the Adyar Society?

  I am no longer a member of the Adyar Society, but I am interested as to what people might be saying behind the scenes.

  Sincerely,
  Bruce

  --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "keith_fisher@..." <exsecy@...> wrote:
  >
  > Dear Morton
  > 
  > It would probably take me two months to answer all those questions
  > and at best they would only be my opinions, which I am trying to
  > avoid giving on this thread.
  > 
  > While TS members have freedom of thought they will follow many paths,
  > religions, and schools of thought. All of their opinions vary.
  > None of them are binding on any TS member.
  > 
  > In relation to your Q7, I don't know of any TS leaders claiming
  > to be in contact with Masters. Perhaps, they are all too evolved
  > to even mention it!
  > 
  > I am sorry to be dismissive, but I think it is very important for
  > me to stick to the facts of recent events, the truth of which has
  > not been given. I will leave it to others to form opinions for
  > later debate.
  > 
  > Best wishes
  > Keith
  > 
  > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-theosophy@> wrote:
  > >
  > > Dear Keith
  > > 
  > > My views are:
  > > 
  > > Thanks a lot. That is as far as I am concerned a good e-mail.
  > > 
  > > I have tons of questions to ask.
  > > But I will try to narrow it down to a "few".
  > > 
  > > Maybe you find my questions to be a bit off topic.
  > > But think, that if you relate them to the words in your e-mail, you will find that they could be relevant give an answer.
  > > 
  > > 
  > > 
  > > 1. What core teachings are today followed in TS Adyar, when compared to the days when H. P. Blavatsky lived? And have those changes been created in accordance with the original programe given by HPB and the Masters? Or are they more in accordance with for instance J. Krishnamurtis or C. W. Leadbeaters views?
  > > 
  > > 2. Are TS today following the view given by HPB on the importance to protest against deviations from the theosophical teachings by the use of the Theosophical magazines or similar medias?
  > > 
  > > 3. Have TS changed its views upon the - level of - rejection of dogma and Christianity and Islam since HPB left the physical world? And to what degree or level? 
  > > 
  > > 4. Is God a "he" and/ or a physical being as most a great number of theosophical books on sale tells us? Are one required to believe in J. Krishnamurti as a World Teacher today? And if not, how can that be reconciled with the fact that TS are selling books about him?
  > > 
  > > 5. Can TS leaders today imagine persons who have been victims of child abuse to feel themselves to be WELL-comed and happy members of the TS? And if yes, how is that to come about, when everyone talks negatively about C. W. Leabeaters past supposed sexually related "deeds" or activities? And if so, how can that be reconciled with the fact that TS today are selling books written by C. W. Leadbeater?
  > > 
  > > 6. How are TS today relating to issues like UFOs, Cropcirlcles ("present day Mahatma Letters"?), and the so-called "Disclosure Project", while not being involved with Political activity?
  > > 
  > > 7. Are any TS leaders today claiming to be in contact with the Masters like in the old days of TS?
  > > 
  > > 8. Are the TS today succeding in the aim given by HPB to end the strife among various religions? (See The Key to Theosophy, p. 2-3.) If not why not, do you think?
  > > 
  > > 
  > > Some of these question have maybe been answered somewhere before.
  > > But I find them to be forwarded in various ways almost similar or relating very much to the above written by me, by a lot of persons on the Internet.
  > > 
  > > I will leave it up to you if you want to answer any of these questions.
  > > Silence is of course also an answer.
  > > - - -
  > > 
  > > H. P. Blavatsky wrote the article: "IS DENUNCIATION A DUTY?" 
  > > http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v10/y1888_091.htm
  > > 
  > > 
  > > It was said: There is no religion higher than Truth.
  > > 
  > > - - -
  > > About me: 
  > > I have since childhood been a student of the theosophical teachings. 
  > > In my view: Atma=Brahman.
  > > 
  > > 
  > > M. Sufilight
  > > 
  > > 
  > > ----- Original Message ----- 
  > > From: keith_fisher@ 
  > > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
  > > Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 8:11 PM
  > > Subject: Theos-World TS Adyar - The Truth Unveiled
  > > 
  > > 
  > > Dear Friends
  > > 
  > > I returned from the Theosophical Society in Adyar on 
  > > 1 March 2009 after serving a six months term as the 
  > > International Secretary. A critical situation arose in 
  > > August last year on the surprise resignation of the 
  > > Secretary, and I was asked to drop my life to take up the 
  > > position for a short length of time. I agreed to do a six
  > > month term and was appointed on 1 September 2008.
  > > 
  > > Since returning home I have had time to read the untruthful,
  > > inaccurate statements posted on the TS American website,
  > > regarding Adyar and the General Council Meeting in December,
  > > including the venomous, destructive statements emanating
  > > from New Zealand. 
  > > 
  > > This disgraceful situation needs addressing, as many TS members
  > > naturally place trust in their elected section leaders. 
  > > 
  > > I now find myself in the unique position of knowing the truth
  > > of these matters while holding no official position in the 
  > > Theosophical Society, except that I am an Australian member.
  > > 
  > > I would therefore, like to offer my services to members of the
  > > group who would like to know the truth. I do not wish to enter
  > > into lengthy dialogue, but I am willing to answer any sensible
  > > questions, truthfully, and to the best of my ability.
  > > 
  > > Best wishes
  > > Keith Fisher
  > > 
  > > 
  > > 
  > > 
  > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
  > >
  >


  

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]