Theos-Talk Archives (March 2009 Message tt00670)

My views are:

Thanks Govert.
Apart from the - to me - to loaded word "slander", I could agree very much with your words Govert.


M. Sufilight

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Govert Schuller 
  To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 7:11 PM
  Subject: Re: Theos-World J. Krishnamurti's RAMBLING


  Not so, Anand. Formwise his speeches are well crafted as K developed his skill over many, many years. He knew how to make his points most of the time in a quite lucid way and actually passed on some, as Hodson also observed, 'flashes of transcendental insights.' 

  There are only rare passages where I found that his talks fell apart in what could be called a 'rambling,' especially when he leaves his discourse on psychology and meditation and tries his hand at more strictly philosophical themes like when he equates thought with matter or tries to develop an epistemology. To me it's clear that, fortunately or not, he had no training at that level and didn't have a clear sense of the boundery between the field where he could exert some authority and where he was on thin ice.

  Imo K was trained in both inner and outer levels to be the WT and that project could only be pulled off if he had build up throughout his past lives a tacit, innate capacity to speak to large crowds. He did so from an early age and gained more precision and lucidity along the way. So, K's highly developed skill to expound on complicated spiritual matters is for me another indication that the WT project was genuine. 

  Now, contentwise it's a whole different matter as I do not agree with most of his assumptions and the elaborate explications of them. I know you don't agree with him either, but it looks that you might be confusing perceived un-truths with ramblings. If they were really ramblings than that would imply there wouldn't be anything to agree or disagree with as one could not even understand K's discourse in the first place. And that's certainly not the case. 

  BTW, calling K a satanist is not really helping the cause of a carefull Theosophical deconstruction of K's life and teachings either. Au contraire, you're muddying the discussion with an unsupported and unsuportable slander. Not helpful, nor very Theosophical. We're here to help each other sort out the truth, not to pronounce anathemas. 

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Anand 
  To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 3:55 AM
  Subject: Theos-World J. Krishnamurti's RAMBLING

  Precise word for J. Krishnamurti's speeches is RAMBLING. 

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