Theos-Talk Archives (March 2009 Message tt00661)

Frank, 

Thanks for your reply and comments. 

>>> I am speaking of the old German program of the 
1930'ies (which scheduled to bring a man to the moon until 1963), which is 
quite different from that was is around here today.<<< 

Well is there "authenticated" documented files available for publiuc view? I would enjoy reading up a little if there are. 

>>>the EU and NATo are controlled by Washington, D.C.<<< 

Frank I had typed a fairly complete reply to this above but it along with much more was "disappeared by my nutty Mail software! Suffice to say the above statement is false 

neither the EU or Nato are controlled by Washington, this is simply false data. 

>>>Have you information about von Braun's suddenly step-down in 1972 from 
all NASA positions?<<< 

Frank I was at Redstone Arsenal in 1955 long before 1972. I can easily entertain the view that after an adult career in Germany and later arriving in USA in 1945 or so and then spending a second career for 27 more adult years he might simply decided he wanted to retire for many reasons, one possible reason is Budget decreases in Programs he was involved with, Political changes in Washington about Programs and their fates. I don't remember when Von Braun was born but he was I think cloise to thirty when he worked at Peenemunde so post-war 27 more years makes him close to retirement at 57 years or so. I don't naturally imagine sinister hands in everything that happens in this world. 


I also do not accept that NASA could carry out any enslavement of the world. The first thing that would happen if they violated their Charter is that Congress would happily zero out thier Budgeted monies and quickly stop them in their tracks! 



>>>There must be a reason to hide this information. The only logic 
explanation is to hide from public the fact about the high level of Sanger's 
research in 1938, which is not reached as yet by any nations (so far it is 
known).<<< 

Frank, my view is this. When world War II ended the Alliance of Victorious Nations all raced to grab what they could of 3rd Reich assets such as Weapons design and documentation. The Russians, French, British, US and others all, filled their pockets with valued confiscations. Years later in the Soviet Union the marvelous aircraft designer Tupelov working probably from confiscated Sanger Documents proposed a Russian Tupelov Antipodal Bomber much resembing the Sanger design. When Tupelov presented his proposal and designs to the high Soviet Committee's they would not approve monies for it due to the current financial incapacities. Tupeloiv had to shelve the Project and it sat for years at the Tupelov Design Bureau gathering dust. The American Intell knew of this situation and they restricted publishment of revealing data simply to not contribute knowledge to an enemy. Notwithstanding after some years there was never a German, American or Soviet Antipodal Bomber that presented. Tupeov was approached by the Chinese and needing cash for his Bureau sold his design and Blueprints to the Chinese who benefited and are currently developing their own Antipodal Bomber code named "Dark Sword" you can Google Image it online. 

>>>Have you any information about the Operation Glocke (time machine project at 
University of KÃnigsberg). 
As KÃnigsberg is occupied by Russia, search in Russian archives may be of 
help<<< 

Nope. I have zero exposure to this Project but would lov e to read Authenticated Documentation about it, inform me. 


>>>As it is may goal to save and preserve all available theosophical documents 
in the German language (Germany has had 60 theosophical magazines in the 
closer sense) and as theosophy was around 1930 entering universities (the 
first Chair of Theosophy - sic!- was scheduled by the University of Leipzig 
of which I have first hand oral information by the initiator), I am looking 
for A SPONSOR to buy the Oberth mansucript.<<< 


I think your Project on Theosophical German Documents is a worthwhile Project, as I have already previosly said. I used to have in my library reference books that were very complete guides to Organizations and Societies useful for locating appropiate resources. There are also Reference Guides for "Grant Resources" listing Foundations that accept tightly defined Projects that conform to the particular Philanthropic Goals of each Foundation. By reading these Foundation listings one may try to locate the specific Philantropic Resource that is best suited to ones goal and project Type. You may have the same in Germany for your use. Another avenue is to advertise for a Sponsor /Benefactor. there may be a commercial resource somewhere that has a databank list of known Theosophical Sponsors that can be purchased for a fee and then used to mail directed request proposals for sponsorship. 

Regards, 
John 


-- Original Message ----- 
From: "Frank Reitemeyer" <ringding2009@t-online.de> 
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 2:53:07 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: Re: Theos-World How much one can trust the TS leaders? 






>Frank, my German is very poor 

ok John, than you cannot read it, very sad. 

>I do follow the German participation in the Eu Space Programs via my 
>subscription to "Space Dailey Express", "Space Flight Now", "Space 
>Weather", and "Space War" online. I get regular Bulletins of news worthy 
>Space Items which keep me some what appraised of happenings. 

ok, but that is not my topic. I am speaking of the old German program of the 
1930'ies (which scheduled to bring a man to the moon until 1963), which is 
quite different from that was is around here today. 
The "German" program of today is in fact not much German as you may know, as 
the EU and NATo are controlled by Washington, D.C. 

>I was, when I was young, trained in Guided Missile Ordnance at Redstone 
>Arsenal when Werner Von Braun was there. 

ok. Have you information about von Braun's suddenly step-down in 1972 from 
all NASA positions? And what about the testimony of Dr. Carol Rosin from 
Rocketdime, who claims that von Braun told her about balck projects, secret 
high technology and a big conspiracy of NASA to enslave the world as she 
reported in 2001 at the Disclosure Project press conference? 
How is it that von Braun knew about the machinations of secret societies? 

>His former boss of Peenemunde Gen. Walter Dornberger was also in the US and 
>later became CEO of Bell Laboratory a very significant Corporation back 
>then. I well remember Dr. Sangers "Antipodal Bomber" design which very 
>impressed me when it was featured in Colliers Magazine back in the very 
>early 1950's I think. 

Friedirhc Georg shows in his book a classified US document about the 
Antipodal bomber with exact datas etc. This early version was later replaced 
by a censored version, which you can find today in US archives, but without 
datas. There must be a reason to hide this information. The only logic 
explanation is to hide from public the fact about the high level of Sanger's 
research in 1938, which is not reached as yet by any nations (so far it is 
known). 

>I was a "Lets go to the Moon and Mars!" kid at a very early age. 

Really!? Me, too!! I liked the Jetson family and Perry Rhodan very much. 

>Dr. Herman Oberth's books early when I was young. 

Oberth believed in theosophy, karma and reincarnation, he can be named a 
theosophist in the definition of HPB, whether he was or was not a member of 
a TS (which cannot researched, as the officials allow no check of their 
member books). 

Have you any information about the Operation Glocke (time machine project at 
University of KÃnigsberg). 
As KÃnigsberg is occupied by Russia, search in Russian archives may be of 
help. 

A 39 pages manuscript of his planned book "Vehicles of life. A series on the 
soul, Theosophy and Occultism. It was never published. 
Since a year or so it is announced for sale by a second-hand book shop for 
7,800 Euros, look here: 
http://www.zvab.com/refineQuickSearch.do?anyWords=oberth+theosophie&lastXDays=-1 

As it is may goal to save and preserve all available theosophical documents 
in the German language (Germany has had 60 theosophical magazines in the 
closer sense) and as theosophy was around 1930 entering universities (the 
first Chair of Theosophy - sic!- was scheduled by the University of Leipzig 
of which I have first hand oral information by the initiator), I am looking 
for A SPONSOR to buy the Oberth mansucript. 

Perhaps you know someone!? My humble archives is a low budget enterprise and 
organized theosophists here are not interested in books and archives. They 
rather like to chat about curious doctrines. 

I think that von Braun was also interested in theosophy. 

>There is a proposed design called "The Wave Rider" that can morph it's 
>shape to accomadate conditions search Duncan Lunan, He is the Astronomer in 
>England who transmitted the Radio Telescope Communication instructions to 
>thje Alien Orbital Probe that was required to initialize the Transformation 
>at the gate of the Sun -- Tiahuanaco in 1977. 

interesting, I'll consider it. 

Best wishes from the dark side of the moon 
Frank 




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