Theos-Talk Archives (March 2009 Message tt00593)

Bruce,

thank you for this important info.

Boris de Zirkoff is said to have been fully examined the Adyar archives and made microfilms of all documents.
Perhaps a microfilm of the witnesses book is now in the safe of the TS in Wheaton.

Perhaps someone can publish it together with the Judge letter to Besant in 1894/5.

Frank

----- Original Message ----- 
From: robert_b_macd 
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 1:13 AM
Subject: Theos-World Re: Leadbeater Defends Blavatsky


There is not much to be said for the Coulombs' charges. Ernest Pelletier details much of this whole episode in "The Judge Case".

He writes how 300 witnesses filed by the "shrine" and then signed a book made up for the occasion so as to give singed witness to what they saw. Pelletier writes:

"Judge later wrote to the Boston Index a few words regarding the so-called expose of Madame Blavatsky and the Report of the Society for Psychical Research of London upon theosophic phenomena. He wrote:

'I found that Mr. Coulomb had partly finished a hole in the wall behind the shrine. It was so new that its edges were ragged with the ends of laths and the plaster was still on the floor. Against it he had placed an unfinished teak-wood cupboard, made for the occasion, and having a false panel in the back that hid the hole in the wall. But the panel was too new to work and had to be violently kicked in to show that it was there. It was all unplaned, unoiled, and not rubbed down. He had been dismissed before he had time to finish. . . .

'All these things were discovered and examined in the presence of many people, who then and there wrote their opinions in a book I provided for the purpose, and which is now at headquarters. The whole arrangement was evidently made up after the facts to fit them on the theory of fraud. That it was done for money was admitted. . . .'"
-- The Judge Case, part I, p 330.

Tucked away somewhere in the Adyar archives, this book, no doubt, still exists.

Bruce

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "danielhcaldwell" <danielhcaldwell@...> wrote:
>
> Yes, John, you are right in what you say below.
> 
> Most of the letters in fact did not flutter down from a ceiling.
> Some were materialized right in front of the witnesss. For example,
> Leadbeater testifies that one of the Mahatma Letters to him was
> materialized right in front of him in Madame Blavatsky's outstretched
> hand!
> 
> Emma Coulomb and Richard Hodgson declared there were no real psychic
> phenomena produced through HPB and that her Mahatmas didn't exist.
> Yet Anand for reasons only known to him pushes the Coulomb story
> while admitting elsewhere that HPB could perform psychic phenomena
> and that her Masters were real....
> 
> Go figure that....
> 
> Daniel
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> 
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Augoeides-222@ wrote:
> >
> > Daniel and all, 
> > Well it seems to me at least that anyone with a pair of eyes in the day time with the sunlight beaming through the windows could have easily observed,seen, eye-balled a hole in the ceiling or a door cut into the ceiling and that myriads of visitors, witnesses, visionaries, psychics, bebunkers and worshipers would have been shouting" Look!!!! There is a "HOLE" in the ceiling!!! OMG!!! It must have been here before even Blavatsky moved into this -place!!!" "How could hundreds of have missed seeing that wierd Door in the Ceiling all that time??? Lol ,Lmao!!! Wait a minute didn't they have to fill out and file a special request to the county for permission to create doors in ceilings that were not covered by county code? Where is the required County Permit? 
> > 
> > And I might comment that the "Bamboo Pole and Rag Doll" is totally immature, juvenile, rediculous, assinine and beyond retarded, Lol!!!! Boy they must have been experts in letter tossing, some of those letters were tossed clear to the USS Shannon from a hole in the ceiling that is particularily skilled and should have been entered in the Guiness Book of Records. How did that rag doll hand Col. Olcutt the the momento of the yellow cloth? 
> > 
> > Regards, 
> > John 
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> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----From: "danielhcaldwell" <danielhcaldwell@> 
> > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 4:56:37 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
> > Subject: Theos-World Leadbeater Defends Blavatsky 
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> > C.W. Leadbeater defends H.P. Blavatsky against accusations of fraud. 
> > In his book HOW THEOSOPHY CAME TO ME, Mr. Leadbeater writes: 
> > 
> > ---------------------------------------------------------- 
> > I could give you many instances in which she [H.P. Blavatsky] was 
> > accused of deception, and I can tell you exactly what it was that 
> > really happened, and can assure you that there was NO FRAUD WHATEVER 
> > in the matter. THAT MUCH I DO KNOW FOR MYSELFÃâÂ. 
> > 
> > He [Richard Hodgson of the Society for Psychical Research] decided 
> > against H. P. B. in regard to the letters which came from the 
> > Masters, saying that she had written them herself. I have myself 
> > received such letters when she was thousands of miles away. I have 
> > seen them come in her presence, and I have seen them come when she 
> > was far away, and I know by irrefutable evidence that she did NOT 
> > write those letters. I tell you this because I think it is valuable 
> > for you to be able to say that you have seen or known of someone who 
> > is willing to bear personal testimony that there was NO FRAUD about 
> > such things. The testimony of one eye-witness outweighs the PREJUDICE 
> > of many people who, not being present, hear these things only at 
> > third or thirteenth hand. 
> > ---------------------------------------------------------- 
> > Quoted from: http://www.cwlworld.info/html/madame_blavatsky.htm 
> > CAPS ADDED 
> > 
> > Daniel 
> > http://hpb.cc 
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