Theos-Talk Archives (March 2009 Message tt00292)

Yes, Leadbeater's comments are highly surprising. Bible is most read book in the world and is most influential book in the world for hundreds of years. And saying that much part of it is historically not true is quite surprising.
Not only that, I myself am highly impressed by Bible's capacity to change hearts of people. In fact I did not come across any other book that changes a person so effectively.
 I lived among people of many religions and spiritual traditions and when I compare effect of religious/spiritual teaching, I feel that Bible is most effective in changing inner nature of people. 
Also Bible is not just accepted by superstitious people. Very highly educated and intelligent people are followers of Christianity. 
All these factors make Bible a mysterious work and perhaps we will have to accept the claims of hardcore Christians that Bible is inspired by the Holy Spirit.
Best
Anand Gholap



--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Cass Silva <silva_cass@...> wrote:
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> I also would be interested to learn what happened to Jesus brothers and sisters?     And if the gospels weren't written by them - who wrote them?  Time to do a bit of spiritual forensics!  lol
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> Cass
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> From: danielhcaldwell <danielhcaldwell@...>
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, 11 March, 2009 9:22:19 AM
> Subject: Theos-World A Re-invitation to Anand about the 12 Apostles
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> Anand,
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> Reconsider again what the greatest saint-occultist wrote about the 12
> apostles:
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> Certainly the Christian Bible ought not to be taken literally, for
> many of its statements are symbolical, and others are simply not
> true. When we examine clairvoyantly the life of the Founder of
> Christianity, for example, we can find NO TRACE of the ALLEGED twelve
> apostles, it would seem that as men they NEVER existed, but that they
> were introduced into the story for some reason â?" possibly to typify
> the twelve signs of the zodiac....THE TRUTH IS that the four gospels
> at any rate were never intended to be taken as in any sense historical
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> CAPS ADDED.
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> Now Anand, I invite you again to do the following exercise.
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> Please take a black magic marker or some other kind of black marking
> pen and go through all 4 gospels of the New Testament and mark out
> all verses in which the 12 apostles are mentioned and all of their
> alleged daily interactions, etc. with Jesus.
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> And then I ask you to address these questions:
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> If these 12 apostles didn't exist as Mr. Leadbeater claims, then how
> could Jesus have selected them and interacted with them, etc., as
> outlined in the 4 Christian gospels?
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> Anand, how many verses, how much of the story of Jesus has to be
> removed from the Bible if in fact as Leadbeater claims, the 12
> apostles didn't exist?
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> And if the 12 apostles didn't really exist, well did some of the
> other so-called historical people in the gospels exist?
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> Did Joseph his father exist? Did Mary? Did Jesus himself?
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> If the 12 apostles are fictional, then tell us what is really
> historical and what really happened in the Gospel stories?
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> But since you say that occultists make mistakes, are you now telling
> us that Mr. Leadbeater is wrong and mistaken in his clairvoyant
> observation when he says that the 12 apostles did not exist??? 
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> Or do you accept his clairvoyant observation as correct and therefore
> agree that the stories in the New Testament about Jesus and his
> apostles are fictitious and never happened?
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> Daniel
> http://hpb.cc
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