Theos-Talk Archives (March 2009 Message tt00201)

Dear Anand

My views are:


Anand, Is it not, obvious, that because a few "students" tell you that H. P. Blavatsky said that Jesus was not a real person, they are not at all necessarily telling you the truth?

a) - The theosophical teachings says: Jesus in the gospels were a fictious person. He never lived at the time of Pilate as it is pictured in the gospels. The real Jesus was born 120 B.C. in Lydda north of Jerusalem.  Yet theosophists are always prepared to listen to anyone, who have another view in their hearts, provided they keep their view within the demarcation of TRUTH.

b) - The Theosophical Society says about Jesus: Let us Seek out the Truth about his teachings and compare with others. Let each teaching stand and fall on its content and its fruits!


But Anand you, seem to me, to keep saying that theosophists are dogmatic - even if this is not theosophical teaching and not what The original Theosophical Society was and is all about.



1. H. P. Blavatsky, in Isis Unviled, p. xii:
"To you," said Jesus to his elect disciples, "it is given to know the mysteries of the Kingdom of God, but to them [ the  polloi^ ] it is not given; . . . therefore speak I to them in parables [or allegories]; because they seeing, see not, and hearing, they hear not, neither do they understand."  - Gospel according to Matthew, xiii. 11, 13.
http://www.phx-ult-lodge.org/isis_unveiled1.htm
 
There are several examples, where HPB clearly were alluding to the fact that Jesus was a historical person. Try H. P. Blavatsky, Isis Unveiled, 1877, vol. I, p. xxxviii, 2, 34, 57, 130, 138 etc. etc. And try H. P. Blavatsky, (The beginners book) The Key to Theosophy, 1889,  p. 47, 49, 71, 72, 79, 81 etc etc..


2.
Try also "Who was the real Jesus?"
"At the first Council of Nicaea in 325 CE, Constantine oversaw the creation of the Nicene Creed, which is still repeated in churches to this day.* Christians who refused to assent to this creed were banished from the Empire or otherwise silenced, though the church continued to engage in political in-fighting thinly disguised as theological debate. After the 'Christian' Constantine returned home from Nicaea he had his wife suffocated and his son murdered. He deliberately remained unbaptized until his deathbed so that he could continue his atrocities and still receive forgiveness of sins and a guaranteed place in heaven by being baptized at the last moment. "
...
"*The Nicene Creed includes the following: 'We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father, God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, one in Being with the Father. . . He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, and his kingdom will have no end.' "
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/dp5/jesus.htm

So why more favourably recommend the gospels than the writings by H. P. Blavatskys?




M. Sufilight



  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Anand 
  To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 8:54 AM
  Subject: Theos-World Re: Blavatsky on Christ -- the true esoteric SAVIOR ....



  > "...'The coming of Christ,' means the presence of CHRISTOS in a
  > regenerated world, and not at all the actual coming in body
  > of 'Christ' Jesus....Christ -- the true esoteric SAVIOR -- is no man,
  > but the DIVINE PRINCIPLE in every human being. He who strives to
  > resurrect the Spirit crucified in him by his own terrestrial
  > passions, and buried deep in the 'sepulcher' of his sinful flesh; he
  > who has the strength to roll back the stone of matter from the door
  > of his own inner sanctuary, he has the risen Christ in him...."
  > 
  > "The 'Christ principle,' the awakened and glorified Spirit of Truth,
  > being universal and eternal, the true Christos cannot be monopolized
  > by any one person [or church or religion]....We may learn from the
  > Gospel according to Luke, that the 'worthy' were those who had been
  > initiated into the mysteries of the Gnosis, and who were 'accounted
  > worthy' to attain that 'resurrection from the dead' in this
  > life....In other words, they were the great adepts of whatever
  > religion; and the words apply to all those who, without being
  > Initiates, strive and succeed, through personal efforts to live the
  > life and to attain the naturally ensuing spiritual illumination in
  > blending their personality -- (the 'Son') with (the 'Father,') their
  > individual divine Spirit, the God within them. This 'resurrection'
  > can never be monopolized by the Christians, but is the spiritual
  > birth-right of every human being endowed with soul and spirit,
  > whatever his religion may be. Such individual is a Christ-man. On the
  > other hand, those who choose to ignore the Christ (principle) within
  > themselves, must die unregenerate heathens -- baptism, sacraments,
  > lip-prayers, and belief in [Christian] dogmas notwithstanding.... He
  > who finds Christos within himself and recognizes the latter as his
  > only 'way,' becomes a follower and an Apostle of Christ, though he
  > may have never been baptized, nor even have met a 'Christian,' still
  > less call himself one." 
  > 
  > H.P. Blavatsky

  Although story of Christ can be used as allegory to explain soul's condition, in above paragraph, at least, Blavatsky has ignored the fact that Great Adept from White Brotherhood came to teach the world, whom people call Jesus Christ.
  If somebody is saying that Jesus did not exist physically, as written in Gospels, I don't agree with it. I think reader will benefit more if he considers Jesus as true and tries to live teaching, instead of involving in allegories. It is because if you live teaching of Jesus, it will automatically help 'resurrection' of Christ within. 
  But Blavatsky's above writing can delude people into believing that Jesus did not exist and whole story is written to explain only inner realities. And there are huge limitations in above allegory written by Blavatsky, because devotion to Jesus produces certain occult effects. Those effects won't be there if a person says "only Christ I know is my soul" It will be similar to Blavatsky's saying to Master M "I don't know any Master, only Master I know is my soul" Students of occultism know that this attitude does not work in reality.
  So, if a person considers Christ only as explained in above paragraphs in Blavatsky, it won't help him much. Indeed I came across students of Blavatsky who believed Jesus did not exist in reality and existed only in allegory. Because of such misleading writing of Blavatsky, I don't recommend her writing.
  Best
  Anand Gholap


  

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