Theos-Talk Archives (March 2009 Message tt00178)

Anand made certain comments which can be found at 

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/49395

In response to his above posting, I made the following responses.
Instead of directly commenting on my responses, Anand has so far
decided to instead comment on something else but not my responses.
Therefore I post again my responses and will see if Anand chooses
to addresses these issues upfront, directly and honestly.
Below are my responses:

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Anand on his comments about what the Chohan said 


Anand,

Let me add a few remarks to what you have written. See your remarks below mine.

As a student of Blavatsky and the Mahatma Letters, I am probably more
a "Christian" than I used to be!!!

But unless I am missing something here, Blavatsky and the Mahatmas
only criticized what can be called exoteric Christianity, orthodox,
or fundamentalistic Christianity. That kind of Christianity which
insists that the Bible must be interpreted literally.

For example, take the Garden of Eden myth of Adam and Eve and the 2
trees at the center of the Garden and the serpent that talks.

There are no doubt millions and millions of Christians that believe
that Adam and Eve were the first two humans on earth living in a
physical garden with these two trees and the talking snake. I have
time and time again said to such beleivers, "are you telling me that
if CNN took a camera and was able to time travel back 6,000 years ago
that they could take pictures of this garden, of Adam and Eve and of
the talking snake and then come back to 2009 and show the pictures on
CNN worldwide??" And most of these beleivers will usually say, Yes I
believe it was a literal place, etc. etc.

Now I personally believe that the Garden of Eden myth contains
profound meaning and truth but I don't believe in the literal
materialistic interpretation that these Christian believers have or
that many of them insist others must believe.

I could give 100s of other examples.

Also you must remember that many Christians, many churches, and many
denominations of Christianity believe that only Christianity is true
and that all other religions including Hinduism and Theosophy are
false and inventions of Satan. And many of them beleive and teach
and do missionary work insisting that unless people believe these
teachings they are going to go to hell for eternity.

Many Christians believe that one must accept Christ as your lord and
savior and that you cannot be saved by any other means. If you are
Jewish and don't believe in the claims about Christ or if you follow
and accept Buddha or Krishna or some other god-man or divinity, etc.,
these kinds of Christians believe again you are going to hell.

Certainly these particular Christian "views" or interpretations are
not those which the Chohan and Blavatsky would agree with. Do you?

There are other comments you make which I believe don't reflect what
Blavatsky and the Mahatmas teach but I will let the above suffice for
now and see if you comment on these things first before I continue
with more comments.

Daniel
http://hpb.cc

-- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Anand" <AnandGholap@...> wrote:
>
> I found many students of Blavatsky and Mahatma Letters had attacked
Christianity, Jesus and everything Christian. They believed Christianity is real
enemy of Blavatsky's Theosophy. In order to change their views and make them
understand things better, I am writing here interpretation of Chohan's message
in 1881. Of course this interpretation is written assuming that letter was
genuine.
> Paragraph in this message says:
> >"Mystical Christianity, that is to say, that Christianity which
> teaches self-redemption through our own Seventh principle - this
> liberated Para-Atma (Augoeides) called by some Christ, by others
> Buddha, and equivalent to regeneration or rebirth in Spirit - will be
> > found just the same truth as the Nirvana of Buddhism."
>
> This is a long statement, and so some people won't understand it fully and
it's implications. To make it easier to understand I will remove the comments in
between and simplify above statement.
> "Mystical Christianity.... will be found just the same truth as the Nirvana of
Buddhism."
> It means, according to this message from Chohan, Mystical Christianity and
Nirvana of Buddhism are same. That means Blavatskians are wrong when they
ridicule Christian things.
> Read one more statement from the message of Chohan.
> "Osiris, Krishna, Buddha, Christ, will be shown as different names
> for one and the same royal highway to final bliss - NIRVANA."
> Here also Buddha and Christ are called different names of royal highways to
Nirvana. It means Chohan accepted Christ and his path as genuine.
> Above analysis shows that blasphemous talks of Blavatskians against
Christianity are completely against what Chohan thinks.
> Above written hermeneutics is written assuming that Chohan's letter was
genuine. As long as Blavatsky was around, we can't be sure which message is
genuine and which is not.
> Best
> Anand Gholap
>

> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "danielhcaldwell" <danielhcaldwell@> wrote:
> >
> > The Chohan's message received in 1881 gives the following on "the
> > regime of a personal God":
> >
> > "The world in general, and Christendom especially, left for 2,000
> > years to the regime of a personal God, as well as its political and
> > social systems based on that idea, has now proved A FAILURE".
> >
> > Quoted from LETTERS FROM THE MASTERS OF THE WISDOM, Volume I,
> > Letter 1. Caps added.
> >
> > Also in this same letter, one reads:
> >
> > "Once unfettered and delivered from their deadweight of dogmatic
> > interpretations, personal names, anthropomorphic conceptions and
> > salaried priests, the fundamental doctrines of all religions will be
> > proved identical in their esoteric meaning.
> >
> > "Osiris, Krishna, Buddha, Christ, will be shown as different names
> > for one and the same royal highway to final bliss - NIRVANA.
> >
> > "Mystical Christianity, that is to say, that Christianity which
> > teaches self-redemption through our own Seventh principle - this
> > liberated Para-Atma (Augoeides) called by some Christ, by others
> > Buddha, and equivalent to regeneration or rebirth in Spirit - will be
> > found just the same truth as the Nirvana of Buddhism."
> >
> > See also:
> >
> > http://theosophytrust.org/tlodocs/GrMstLtr.htm
> >
> > Daniel
> > Blavatsky Study Center
> > http://blavatskystudycenter.org
> >
>