Theos-Talk Archives (February 2009 Message tt00367)

Dear Anand and friends

My views are:

I could be, that Emma was lying and slandering H. P. Blavatsky.
I could be that V. S. Solovieff was lying and slandering H. P. Blavatsky.
Truth is most often not given much value on this planet. A one-sided view is most often not helpful. I think you aught to judge H. P. Blavatsky on her fruits and her teaching.


The one whom you most often call Jesus was also slandered and accused without any justification. When the Sanhedrin sentenced Jesus, they accused him of blasphemy. But, they also accused him of various other bad activities. Jesus was after all eating among sinners and publicans. And another of them being bad magic, because he was healing the sick, taught people to do good and to be compassionate. That was enough for them to kill him.
Try to compare this to H. P. Blavatsky's doings and understand that she never claimed to be any saviour in the Flesh or infallible.

Permit me to quote a few words about from the Collected Writings so to make the readers at this forum and elsewhere understand the problem which we theosophists have with Christianity and its foolish ideas.


1.
H. P. Blavatsky said the following about the Christianity in a letter in
"LUCIFER TO THE ARCHBISHOP OF CANTERBURY, GREETING! *":
...
"We are accustomed to say to the Buddhist, the Mohammedan, the Hindoo, or the Parsee: "The road to Theosophy lies, for you, through your own religion." We say this because those creeds possess a deeply philosophical and esoteric meaning, explanatory of the allegories under which they are presented to the people; but we cannot say the same thing to Christians. The successors of the Apostles never recorded the secret doctrine of Jesus-the "mysteries of the kingdom of heaven"-which it was given to them (his apostles) alone to know.* These have been suppressed, made away with, destroyed. What have come down upon the stream of time are the maxims, the parables, the allegories and the fables which Jesus expressly intended for the spiritually deaf and blind to be revealed later to the world, and which modern Christianity either takes all literally, or interprets according to the fancies of the Fathers of the secular church. 

In both cases they are like cut flowers: they are severed from the plant on which they grew, and from the root whence that plant drew its life. Were we, therefore, to encourage Christians, as we do the votaries of other creeds, to study their own religion for themselves, the consequence would be, not a knowledge of the meaning of its mysteries, but either the revival of mediaeval superstition and intolerance, accompanied by a formidable outbreak of mere lip-prayer and preaching-such as resulted in the formation of the 239 Protestant sects of England alone-or else a great increase of scepticism, for Christianity has no esoteric foundation known to those who profess it."
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"Your Grace will now understand why it is that the Theosophical Society has taken for one of its three "objects" the study of those Eastern religions and philosophies, which shed such a flood of light upon the inner meaning of Christianity; and you will, we hope, also perceive that in so doing, we are acting not as the enemies, but as the friends of the religion taught by Jesus-of true Christianity, in fact. For it is only through the study of those religions and philosophies that Christians can ever arrive at an understanding of their own beliefs, or see the hidden meaning of the parables and allegories which the Nazarene told to the spiritual cripples of Judea, and by taking which, either as matters of fact or as matters of fancy, the Churches have brought the teachings themselves into ridicule and contempt, and Christianity into serious danger of complete collapse, undermined as it is by historical criticism and mythological research, besides being broken by the sledge-hammer of modern science."
http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v8/y1887_039.htm


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2.
H. P. Blavatsky said the following about the Christian Saviour in the Flesh:

"In CARNALIZING the central figure of the New Testament, in imposing
the dogma of the Word MADE FLESH, the Latin Church sets up a doctrine
diametrically opposed to the tenets of Buddhist and Hindu Esotericism
and the Greek Gnosis. Therefore, there will always be an abyss
between the East and the West, as long as neither of these dogmas
yields. Almost 2,000 years of bloody persecution against HERETICS
and INFIDELS by the Church looms before the Oriental nations to
prevent them from renouncing their philosophic doctrines in favor of
that which degrades the CHRISTOS principle. [372-373]

...when one legend based upon these mysteries attempts to arrogate
exclusive rights to itself above all the rest; when it declares
itself an infallible dogma to force the popular faith into a dead
letter belief, to the detriment of the true metaphysical meaning,
such legend must be denounced, its veil torn away, and itself
displayed in its nakedness to the world! [374]. . .

Whether it be Krishna, Buddha, Sosiosh, Horus or Christos, it is a
universal PRINCIPLE. . .

...the Christians, by localizing and isolating this great Principle,
and denying it to any other man except Jesus of Nazareth (or the
Nazar), CARNALIZE the Christos of the Gnostics; that alone prevents
them having any point in common with the disciples of the Archaic
Wisdom. . . . [374]

. . . I have not the slightest intention of hurting the feelings of
those who believe in Jesus, the carnalized Christ, but I feel myself
compelled to emphasize our own belief. . . .

. . . It is in this ancient wisdom, and in the Christos of the
Gnostics under its various names, that the Theosophists, disciples of
the Mahatmas, believe. . . . [385]

. . . true Theosophists will never accept ...a Christ made
Flesh. . . .[390]

Quoted from H.P. Blavatsky's COLLECTED WRITINGS, Volume VIII.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/10662



3.
  H. P. Blavatsky wrote: 
  "The Society founded to remedy the glaring evils of Christianity, to shun bigotry and intolerance, cant and superstition and to cultivate real universal love extending even to the dumb brute". 
  http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v7/y1886_008.htm


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Dear Anand. Try to understand, that theosophical teaching are not prepared to agree upon any Christian dogma what so ever. 



M. Sufilight




  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Anand 
  To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 11:38 AM
  Subject: Theos-World Re: C.W. Leadbeater, the greatest occultist-saint of all times


  Following passages are taken from a book. 

  " [Blavatsky's housekeeper, Emma Cutting, demonstrated] how she and
  HPB had made a doll together, which they ... manipulated on a long
  bamboo pole in semi-darkness to provide the Master's alleged
  apparitions. Emma had also dropped "precipitated" letters on to
  Theosophical heads from holes in the ceiling, while her husband had
  made sliding panels and hidden entrances into the shrine room
  [adjoining HPB's bedroom] to facilitate Blavatsky's comings and goings
  and make possible the substitution of all the brooches, dishes and
  other objects that she used in her demonstrations [i.e., as purported
  materializations or "apports"].... 

  The Russian journalist V. S. Solovieff claimed to have caught
  [Blavatsky] red-handed with the silver bells which produced astral
  music [in séances].... Blavatsky confessed to Solovieff quite bluntly
  that the phenomena were fraudulent, adding that one must deceive men
  in order to rule them (Washington, 1995). "


  

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