Theos-Talk Archives (February 2009 Message tt00353)

In South Texas bordering Mexico, there are many vast ranches. Anyone
researching how the landowners ended up owning land is somewhat similar. The
just occupied the land and drove out or killed the natives living on them.
Many current owners would rather not like to be reminded of what their
ancestors did.

Another blot on the Humanity was the slave trade which brought slaves from
Africa to the United States. Recently I read an account by a professor who
is researching it. One thing that was ironic was many of the ship crew fell
very sick and when the ship stopped in the carribean, they were dropped off
poor and penniless and very sick. Some of the Negro women took pity on them
and fed them and took care of them until they died. Even today one can see
graves where many non-Negroes buried next to the Negoes.

In today's world, with videoes, cellphones and TV broadcast, such pitiful
instances would be broadcast on the Internet.

mkr




On 2/25/09, nhcareyta <nhcareyta@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
>   Dear All
>
> The current discussion highlights prejudice as ubiquitous.
>
> In Australia, invaded in 1788 by the British, the concept of
> terra nullius was applied. The term means that the land belongs
> to no-one, is empty and desolate. This despite over two
> hundred identifiable tribal groups of Aborigines, each with their
> own distinct language, including numerous dialects, and
> recognized land areas.
>
> Terra nullius was used to rationalise that Australia was not
> invaded, but "settled."
>
> It further ensured the "lawful" removal of Aborigines from the
> land they "occupied" rather than "owned." This effectively meant
> all land.
>
> The interesting and shocking point to this expose is that terra
> nullius was only struck down by the High Court of Australia in
> 1992!
>
> Notwithstanding, in a subsequent land claim trial in 1996 before
> the same court, a 4/3 decision gave preference to pastoralist
> land-owners over the traditional owners, should and if conflict
> of rights and interests arise.
>
> That ruling was only thirteen years ago!
>
> You can perhaps imagine the forms and types of prejudice
> historically inflicted upon Australian Aborigines resulting
> from this system.
>
> Regards
> Nigel
>
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "danielhcaldwell"
> <danielhcaldwell@...> wrote:
> >
> > All of this brings back "fond" memories of
> > growing up in Texas in the late 1950s & early
> > 1960s.
> >
> > When I get a chunk of time, I will relate
> > some of my own personal experiences concerning
> > how both Black and Mexican people were viewed
> > and treated during that time --- at least in
> > certain parts of Texas.
> >
> > I remember in 1972 being so glad to move
> > to Arizona and leave all the "rednecks"
> > behind in Texas.
> >
> > Both blacks and mexicans were at that time
> > treated like 2nd class "citizens" in Texas.
> >
> > Also hippies and homosexuals!
> >
> > And women should stay also in their proper
> > places.
> >
> > Also there was alot of prejudice against
> > Jews and Catholics.
> >
> > Basically in the Texas of that time, you had
> > better be a white, Protestant macho man cause everyone
> > one else didn't count or should at least know
> > their places.
> >
> > Like I said, very fond memories.
> >
> > So you can imagine how I felt when Barack
> > was elected President of the US.
> >
> > I've cried more since the day Barack was
> > elected than during the rest of my entire life.
> >
> > Now I'm hoping I live long enough to see a Hispanic
> > and a woman also elected to be president.
> >
> > I'm sick of all those f------g old white men being
> > president!
> >
> > OBTW, I am a f------g white man too but not that
> > kind!!! :)
> >
> > Daniel
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com>, MKR
> <mkr777@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Some years ago, our community was looking for land in the city
> > close to the
> > > Camp Bullis military facility in San Antonio and I saw some land
> > deeds filed
> > > around 1945 which had a deed restriction that people of mexican
> > origin
> > > cannot reside there except as servants. But in 1932 it was a fact
> > that in
> > > publicly owned facilities, hispanics cannot attend public
> functions.
> > >
> > > mkr
> > >
> > >
> > > On 2/25/09, Augoeides-222@ <Augoeides-222@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > MKR,
> > > > My comment is strickly in regards to the "Sign". I was in Texas
> > in the
> > > > 1950's in the Military at Ft.Bliss. I frequently went into El
> > Paso, Texas on
> > > > a regular basis. At that time I never saw such signs anywhere
> > that I visited
> > > > there. That doesn't mean that his grandfather had not seen them
> > in his life
> > > > time but as to what I saw later I didn't see any such signs. As
> > far as I can
> > > > relate any one could sit at a counter and be served there. I
> > personally and
> > > > directly observed this. I cannot speak for the rest of Texas
> > citys. We had
> > > > balck and mexican soldiers in my unit and i don't recall
> hearing
> > them
> > > > complain of discrimination such as is in the PBS Program that
> > they were
> > > > experiencing in El paso at that time. Our Miitary Unit was
> > intregated having
> > > > various ethnic presence at that time 1955-60.
> > > > I might also relate that on the other side of the border in
> > Juarez Mexico
> > > > the people there held intense prejedice against "Indios",
> Mexican
> > citizens
> > > > of Indian ethnicity and denied simple needs to them such as a
> > glass of water
> > > > when the temperature is over 100 degree's. I once watched an
> > Indios women
> > > > barefoot in traditional dress be denied water one after another
> > business as
> > > > she asked each one for a glass of water and the entire street
> > denied her
> > > > this simple needy request. I was amazed to see this and felt so
> > sorry for
> > > > that poor women.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > John
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "MKR" <mkr777@ <mkr777%40gmail.com>>
> > > > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com><theos-talk%
> > 40yahoogroups.com>, "theos-l" <
> > > > theos-L@yahoogroups.com <theos-L%40yahoogroups.com> <theos-L%
> 40yahoogroups.com>>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 5:56:40 AM GMT -08:00
> > US/Canada Pacific
> > > > Subject: Theos-World "No Mexicans, Negroes or Dogs Allowed"
> > > >
> > > > As late as 1950s, people in San Antonio, Texas has seen signs
> > such as "No
> > > > Mexicans, Negroes or Dogs Allowed". At that time San Antonio
> had
> > about
> > > > 30-40% hispanic population. There is a very interesting article
> > in the
> > > > local
> > > > newspaper. See link below. Theosophists would be interested in
> > reading it.
> > > > Also may like watching PBS documentary "A Class Apart".
> > > >
> > > > In 1932, when Jiddu Krishnamurti visited and lectured to an
> > audience of
> > > > 2,500 in the city auditorium, Mexicans and Negroes were not
> > allowed. He
> > > > gave
> > > > a second lecture at a local school just for the Mexicans and
> > Negroes and of
> > > >
> > > > course everyone else was invited.
> > > >
> > > > As another anecdotal matter, it appears that Indians were, in
> > early days of
> > > >
> > > > this century were refered to as Niggers as well by the English
> and
> > > > Europeans!!!
> > > >
> > > > Here is the link for the article about Hispanics.
> > > >
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> > > >
> > > >
> >
> http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/columnists/ken_rodriguez/Case_brought
> > _huge_change_for_Hispanics.html
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > mkr
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