Theos-Talk Archives (February 2009 Message tt00281)

Dear Anand

I hope this finds you in good health.

You write; "Do you not believe in what Blavatsky says?"

I most certainly do not! If I did I would not have understood a word
of what H.P.B. and her Teachers spent so much time and effort trying
to impart to us. Believing them is exactly what they don't want! The
very reason the T.S. was formed in the first place was to begin to
steer humanity away from this type of blindly following mindset. This,
I realize, can be very difficult to understand when caught up so
strongly in that very mindset which has gained such momentum over many
centuries and is showing no signs of giving way to something new.

I am aware that it is virtually pointless writing any of this to you
Anand, as I have about as much chance of influencing your
understanding of Theosophy, as I do of convincing my family to drink
water instead of guinness on St.Patrick's day! 

However, I feel it is important enough to TRY.

You write; 
"I think Blavatsky's writing and Pseudo-letters contain many mistakes
and I don't believe in some of the statements they made. I don't
recommend these writings."

Can I suggest to you Anand that you research thoroughly the history of
the Theosophical movement, the forming of the T.S. and the events
leading up to and following its formation. If you are an open minded
fellow, who knows, perhaps with a deeper understanding of how and why
Theosophy emerged when it did and in the way that it did, your
'beliefs' about "Blavatsky's writing and Pseudo-letters" may alter
accordingly. And indeed this would be something to celebrate Anand,
you can believe me on this one!

Kind regards,
NigelH

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Anand" <AnandGholap@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Nigel,
> We all believe. Do you not believe in what Blavatsky says? I say most
> of the members here believe in Theosophy because they have not
> experienced all the things which Blavatsky and other occultists have
> written.
> J. Krishnamurti's attacks on beliefs are incredibly wrong because
> lives of all people are based on beliefs. When we start our education
> in school, we study books and believe, for the time being at least,
> that what is written in books is correct. At that time we are not in a
> position to challenge the writing in books, due to lack of enough
> knowledge. Even the students who take Master's degree in management or
> engineering, or medical do not generally challenge what is taught to
> them. They believe that what is taught to them in college and through
> books is correct. Only some of a few students who do Ph.D. later take
> trouble to think whether what is taught is correct or not. 
> In spiritual development also we believe in what Great Ones have
> taught and start walking. If every child keeps on questioning mother's
> wisdom, it will be impossible to raise children.
> So if a person is to follow J. Krishnamurti's philosophy of
> challenging every belief unless experienced, life will become
> impossible to live. Fortunately, most people don't bring into action
> what JK says.
> You gave some quotations from Blavatsky and Mahatma Letters. I think
> Blavatsky's writing and Pseudo-letters contain many mistakes and I
> don't believe in some of the statements they made. I don't recommend
> these writings.
> Best
> Anand Gholap
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "nigel_healy" <nigelhealy@> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Anand
> > 
> > I have been reading your posts for some time now and it is very clear
> > that you have a 'belief mindset'. You do not recognise the problem,
> > from a Theosophical perspective, with this mindset and are constantly
> > on the defence. As a recovered catholic myself, I understand that it
> > is very difficult (though not impossible) to let go of our beloved
> > belief systems. The Mahatma K.H. puts it that there is "..a general
> > unwillingness to give up an established order of things for new modes
> > of life and thought.." (ML,1)
> > 
> > Again the same Mahatma says; "The God of the Theologians is simply an
> > imaginary power,...a power which has never yet manifested itself. Our
> > chief aim is to deliver humanity of this nightmare, to teach man
> > virtue for its own sake, and to walk in life relying on himself
> > instead of leaning on a theological crutch, that for countless ages
> > was the direct cause of nearly all human misery." (ML,10 3rd ed)
> > 
> > In your post you speak of the "Lord Jesus" asking us to believe stuff!
> > I see serious problems with this considering this is a Theosophical
> > forum and not a christian one! 
> > 
> > H.P.B., who founded the Theosophical Society and wrote the books that
> > are the foundations of Theosophy (all later writings are either
> > derived from these or have nothing to do with the original writings)
> > made her views on the "Lord Jesus" quite clear;
> > 
> > "For me Jesus Christ, i.e., the Man-God of the Christians, copied from
> > the Avataras of every country, from Hindu Krishna as well as the
> > Egyptian Horus, was never a historical person. He is a deified
> > personification of the glorified type of the great Hierophants of the
> > Temples, and his story, as told in the New Testament, is an allegory,
> > assuredly containing profound esoteric truths, but still an allegory."
> > 
> > I have no problem with the religious mindset, being an Irish
> > Australian I find myself surrounded by it! 
> > 
> > But it just simply isn't THEOSOPHY.
> > 
> > And this is a THEOSOPHICAL forum.
> > 
> > My intention is not to knock another's freedom of thought, but to seek
> > the Truth.
> > 
> > Kind regards,
> > NigelH
> >  
> > 
> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Anand" <AnandGholap@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear Pedro,
> > > > Finally, I remembered what the late Ianthe H. Hoskins told me at
> Adyar
> > > > in 1994, during her last visit: "Belief is the tomb of Truth."
> > > > 
> > > > Pedro
> > > >
> > > 
> > > Do you think that St. Paul was misleading people when he said " the
> > > righteous will live by faith" ? Do you think that Lord Jesus was
> > > misleading people when he asked people to believe as written
> > > throughout the Gospels? Do you think that Indian spiritual writings
> > > were misleading people when they demanded  Shraddha (faith or
belief)?
> > > Either scriptures were wrong or J. Krishnamurti was wrong. You
can not
> > > say both are right. This position is logically absurd.
> > > 
> > > Best
> > > Anand Gholap
> > >
> >
>