Theos-Talk Archives (February 2009 Message tt00234)

You Morten will tell me this is not theosophy!!!
Than you don't know what theosophy is.
Christina






--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-
theosophy@...> wrote:
>
> I think I understand. But I think you also understand why I have to 
disagree with you.
> Simply because my knowledge tells me different. And because the 
theosophical teachings are saying it as well.
> 
> 
> M. Sufilight
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: christinaleestemaker 
>   To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 1:24 AM
>   Subject: Re: Theos-World Krishnamurti on who are you
> 
> 
>   I think I cannot help you, because your few is from another level.
>   There is also Adi- anupudaka and after AtmaBuddhiManas.The ones 
who 
>   are atmabuddhimanas can understand the higher states.
>   And no one can tell me I don't know myself, also I cannot say 
you , 
>   you don't know yourself, FOR I CANNOT KNOW THAT.UNDERSTAND?
>   Christina
> 
>   --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-
>   theosophy@> wrote:
>   >
>   > Dear Christina and friends
>   > 
>   > My views are:
>   > 
>   > Maybe I am ignorant.
>   > Could you enlighten me, so that I may understand your view?
>   > 
>   > 
>   > Well to us theosophists Atma = Brahma for each human being. 
>   Blavatsky said it several times. And so did her Masters. And 
since 
>   Brahma knows about occultism. And since Atma is within you, even 
if 
>   you would like it to go away I find your view difficult to agree 
upon.
>   > 
>   > But it is of course your choice if you find this view Atma = 
Brahma 
>   to be false.
>   > The most highest Divine is as far as I am aware within your 
very 
>   own "I".
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > M. Sufiliight
>   > 
>   > ----- Original Message ----- 
>   > From: christinaleestemaker 
>   > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
>   > Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 9:35 PM
>   > Subject: Re: Theos-World Krishnamurti on who are you
>   > 
>   > 
>   > I never had heard so much nonsense.But oke it is yours.
>   > Christina
>   > 
>   > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen" 
<global-
>   > theosophy@> wrote:
>   > >
>   > > Dear Christina
>   > > 
>   > > You cannot know yourself without learning about occultism.
>   > > That must be logical.
>   > > 
>   > > 
>   > > M. Sufilight
>   > > 
>   > > ----- Original Message ----- 
>   > > From: christinaleestemaker 
>   > > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
>   > > Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 9:24 PM
>   > > Subject: Re: Theos-World Krishnamurti on who are you
>   > > 
>   > > 
>   > > You asked about knowing theyself and not on occultism.
>   > > Since when is knowing theyself occultism, for you maybe, but 
>   not 
>   > for 
>   > > me.
>   > > Christina
>   > > 
>   > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen" 
>   <global-
>   > > theosophy@> wrote:
>   > > >
>   > > > 
>   > > > So I take it, that you disagre with H. P. Blavatsky, the 
>   > Masters 
>   > > and a whole range of Seers from India, Tibet and other 
>   countries?
>   > > > 
>   > > > H. P. Blavatsky is clearly stating, that Occultism is 
>   dangerous 
>   > to 
>   > > learn about without a guide.
>   > > > Walking the path without learning about occultism is 
>   impossible.
>   > > > So if you want to call me and others "dullheads," where 
does 
>   it 
>   > > leave you, when not listening to those who have experienced 
the 
>   > truth 
>   > > about it?
>   > > > 
>   > > > 
>   > > > M. Sufilight
>   > > > 
>   > > > 
>   > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
>   > > > From: christinaleestemaker 
>   > > > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
>   > > > Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 8:17 PM
>   > > > Subject: Re: Theos-World Krishnamurti on who are you
>   > > > 
>   > > > 
>   > > > Everyone have its own way and don't need a guide for 
knowing 
>   > him 
>   > > or 
>   > > > herself, only the dullheads need!!!
>   > > > Christina
>   > > > 
>   > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen" 
>   > <global-
>   > > > theosophy@> wrote:
>   > > > >
>   > > > > Did you read my previous e-mail?
>   > > > > How can one learn to know one self without being guided 
and 
>   > > without 
>   > > > comparative studying?
>   > > > > Is it safe to promote a psychological revolution inwardly 
>   > > without a 
>   > > > guide?
>   > > > > 
>   > > > > 
>   > > > > 1.
>   > > > > J. Krishnamurti said:
>   > > > > "I know that which I am; I know my purpose in life 
because 
>   I 
>   > am 
>   > > > Life itself without name, without limitation. And because I 
>   am 
>   > > Life I 
>   > > > would urge you to worship that Life, not in this form that 
is 
>   > > > Krishnamurti but the Life which dwells in each one of you. 
>   Put 
>   > > aside 
>   > > > all the paraphernalia of beliefs, religions and ceremonies, 
>   and 
>   > > you 
>   > > > will find the Truth."
>   > > > > (The seventh International Camp of the Order of the Star
>   > > > > held at Ommen, Holland, August 6th, 1928) 
>   > > > > 
>   > > > > http://jiddu-krishnamurti.net/en/1928-let-understanding-
be-
>   > the-
>   > > law/
>   > > > jiddu-krishnamurti-let-understanding-be-the-law-07.php
>   > > > > 
>   > > > > 
>   > > > > 2.AN APPRECIATION OF C. W. LEADBEATER By Geoffrey Hodson
>   > > > > 
>   > > > > "As I have elsewhere written, I attended several of the 
>   Star 
>   > > Camps 
>   > > > in Holland and was present when there was evidence of 
>   > remarkable, 
>   > > if 
>   > > > brief, supernormal manifestations. On more than one 
occasion 
>   > some 
>   > > two 
>   > > > thousand people from many parts of the world were gathered 
at 
>   > > Ommen 
>   > > > to hear Krishnamurti. Each evening, all were seated in 
>   > concentric 
>   > > > circles round a large camp fire. Krishnamurti would arrive, 
>   > take 
>   > > his 
>   > > > place for a time, and then rise and apply a torch to the 
camp 
>   > > fire. 
>   > > > As the flames arose against the evening sky he would chant 
a 
>   > > mantram 
>   > > > to the god Agni, and return to his seat. Thereafter he 
would 
>   > > begin to 
>   > > > speak, and on more than one occasion a noticeable change 
took 
>   > > place 
>   > > > in him. His voice altered and his hitherto rather 
>   iconoclastic 
>   > > > utterances gave way to a wonderful tenderness of expression 
>   and 
>   > > > thought which induced in those present an elevation of 
>   > > consciousness. 
>   > > > The Talks were followed by prolonged meditative silences. 
>   Many 
>   > of 
>   > > > those present, myself among them, bore testimony to the 
sense 
>   > of 
>   > > > divine peace which had descended, to a realization of the 
>   > > Presence of 
>   > > > the Lord, and to an assurance that the prophecy had begun 
to 
>   be 
>   > > > fulfilled. These phenomena occurred during some few 
>   successive 
>   > > years, 
>   > > > the events being so marked that Krishnamurti himself there 
>   > after 
>   > > > changed the Objects of the Order of the Star in the East 
>   from, 
>   > in 
>   > > > effect, "To prepare for the coming of the Lord" to "To 
serve 
>   > the 
>   > > > World Teacher now that He is in our midst." I, myself, more 
>   > than 
>   > > once 
>   > > > heard Krishnamurti affirm that the great Teacher was now 
here 
>   > and 
>   > > > that the "Coming" had actually occurred. Even now when he 
is 
>   > > > speaking, with others I discern a spiritual influence 
>   emanating 
>   > > from 
>   > > > him, as if a great Being were still using him as a 
>   > vehicle.This, 
>   > > > however, does not constitute a complete fulfillment of the 
>   > > original 
>   > > > prophecy."
>   > > > > www.theosophical.org/resources/articles/
>   AppreciationofCWL.pdf 
>   > > > (written around 1965)
>   > > > > 
>   > > > > 
>   > > > > A Nobody or Guru or Messiah or partly a Messiah? 
>   Unimportant 
>   > to 
>   > > J. 
>   > > > Krishnamurti?
>   > > > > 
>   > > > > 
>   > > > > 
>   > > > > M. Sufilight
>   > > > > 
>   > > > > 
>   > > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
>   > > > > From: christinaleestemaker 
>   > > > > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
>   > > > > Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 6:50 PM
>   > > > > Subject: Theos-World Krishnamurti on who are you
>   > > > > 
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>   > > > > http://video.google.nl/videosearch?q=krishnamurti+on+whoam
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