Theos-Talk Archives (February 2009 Message tt00143)

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Govert Schuller" <schuller@...> 
wrote:
>
Yes Govert, you've got the idea.

My experience with the SD is that if you approach it from a 
literalist point of view you are bound to end up well informed in 
Hermeticism, Kabbalism, Buddhism and Hinduism, but only in a purely 
intellectual sense.  

A couple ideas which may be useful combines the article by 
Damodar, "Contemplation" (see: 
http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/damodar/dam2b.htm#contemplation), 
and and the advice given in Letter #49 of the ML: "Once we are upon 
the topic, I wish you would impress upon your London friends some 
wholesome truths that they are but too apt to forget, even, when they 
have been told of them over and over again. The Occult Science is not 
one, in which secrets can be communicated of a sudden, by a written 
or even verbal communication. If so, all the "Brothers" should have 
to do, would be to publish a Hand-book of the art which might be 
taught in schools as grammar is. It is the common mistake of people 
that we willingly wrap ourselves and our powers in mystery -- that we 
wish to keep our knowledge to ourselves, and of our own will refuse --
 "wantonly and deliberately" to communicate it. The truth is that 
till the neophyte attains to the condition necessary for that degree 
of Illumination to which, and for which, he is entitled and fitted, 
most if not all of the Secrets are incommunicable. The receptivity 
must be equal to the desire to instruct. The illumination must come 
from within. Till then no hocus pocus of incantations, or mummery of 
appliances, no metaphysical lectures or discussions, no self-imposed 
penance can give it."

The properly trained mind takes the truths given in the SD, Bhagavad 
Gita, and many other writings and illumines their words with the 
light of intuition.  Until that light is turned on through right 
actions and efforts, all is but the inside of Platos cave, dancing 
shadows only hinting at the true reality.

Joe

> Dear Frank,
> 
> Are you saying that 1) as EXACT figures are not given out, and 2) as
> some figures were given, therefore 3) non of the figures given are 
exact? 
> 
> If so, any use of figures derived from HPB's work will generate
> incorrect conclusions. 
> 
> Govert
> 
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Frank Reitemeyer" <dzyan@> 
wrote:
> >
> > Hi Govert, hi all,
> > 
> > HPB states several times, that and why exact occult figures and
> numbers are not be given out, which is the same as with the Jesus of
> the bible, whom the editors of the gospels lay similar arguments 
into
> his mouth.
> > 
> > Here is only one example:
> > "For the figures belonging to the Occult calculations cannot be
> given â?" as the Masters have many times declared â?" outside the
> circle of pledged chelas, and not even these can break the rules."
> > http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/sd/sd1-1-09.htm
> > 
> > Comparing her 5th sub-race quote with her other quote of the
> cataclysm in 16,000 years, it is quite clear that with dead-letter
> reading one comes not to the truth.
> > 
> > In the preface to the "Key" she states, that theosophy is not for
> the mental lazy, i.e., those who study theosophy are forced to think
> and by thinking they can understand theosophy and the the path 
becomes
> the aim.
> > 
> > Those, who do not think, but believe blindly and/or use theosophy
> for their selfing ends and pose as teachers, teaching innocent 
people
> pseudo-theosophy, can be found guilty by a Mr Watson of being unfit 
to
> understand the message. One, who is unfit to understand the message,
> cannot be the messenger. So the message and the messanger are 
always a
> unit.
> > 
> > Besant sat at the feet of the world teacher, but did not know her.
> Ok, there must be always somebody, who plays the role of the bad 
cop.
> But sad for Annie.
> > HPB spoke often about the coming world wars, as Franz Hartmann
> reports. She warned against an "Empire in embryo", which would bring
> suffering over the world.
> > Annie and Charlie in their exaggerated patriotism for the their
> country and the Crown believed it was the land, where the His
> Majesty's grandson ruled.
> > There was but a little error in their calculations. Although 
Germany
> was nearly destroyed by the Jeusits, as HPB states, she was in the
> mean of time able to recover soon and a lot of genius souls came in
> and Bismarck with the advise of an adept in the Black Forest,a s HPB
> states, was able to reu-nite many German states in 1871 (without 
f.e.
> of Holland, which decided after the Jesuit separation in 1648 from 
the
> Reich). So, when Annie joint the TS in 1889, the new Empire was
> already born (if this picture fits, because it was never really 
away),
> therefore Germany was no embryo.
> > 
> > That HPB could have meant another empire with evil aims (my 
working
> thesis), was obviously not conceivable for the two astral surfers.
> > Occult doctrines misunderstood - new karma created, more suffering
> for many, but the order of the Maha-Chohan fulfilled, not to 
interfer
> with karma and give secret outs.
> > So karma went its usual way without much barriers. But had
> theosophists uplifted the thoughts of the masses, karma might have
> been checkmated.
> > 
> > Frank
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: Govert Schuller 
> > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 6:44 PM
> > Subject: Theos-World Re: 4th sub-race
> > 
> > 
> > Dear Cass,
> > 
> > I still do not quite understand this 'blinds' bussiness, 
therefore I
> > do not know how to agree or disagree with your statement.
> > 
> > Govert
> > 
> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Cass Silva <silva_cass@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I read this the same way as you did Govert, with the blind being
> > that some remain Celtic while some are Teutonic, perhaps because 
this
> > would have been seen as overt racism when it was written - even 
though
> > as Theosophists we know this not to be true.
> > > Ã? 
> > > Cass
> > > 
> > > --- On Wed, 4/2/09, Govert Schuller <schuller@> wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > From: Govert Schuller <schuller@>
> > > Subject: Theos-World Re: 4th sub-race
> > > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > Received: Wednesday, 4 February, 2009, 5:22 AM
> > > 
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> > > Dear all,
> > > 
> > > From the quotes below (the 'dead letter' interpretation) it 
looks like
> > > we are in Root-race 5 (Aryan), Sub-race 5 (Teutonic). Two 
quotes from
> > > HPB and one by 'Alpha' reflecting the understanding of a 
member. This
> > > understanding is also reflected in a little graph by 
Jinarajadasa,
> > > which some might call the Besant-Leadbeater interpretation, but 
might
> > > very well be in accordance with HPB. See:
> > > http://users. ez2.net/nick29/ theosophy/ lessons15. htm
> > > 
> > > If HPB contradicted herself, and if to save her from the charge 
of
> > > inconsistency by saying that some of her statements were 
blinds, in
> > > what way are we to reconcile these contradictions? How do we 
know
> > > what's a blind and what not? And if a contradiction is found 
and one
> > > of the statements therefore allegedly a blind, does that make 
the
> > > subject more important? Or is it possible that HPB was not able 
to
> > > keep her globes, rounds, root races, sub-races, etc. straight 
because
> > > of the complexity of the matter and made occasional mistakes and
> > > Theosophists upon finding contradictions, would jump to the 
conclusion
> > > that a blind was involved, even while it might have been a 
mistake.
> > > Or, as anti-metaphysical commentators might charge, HPB's 
fantasies
> > > became too complex for her own mind and she was not able to 
keep her
> > > story consistent. Just thinking aloud. 
> > > 
> > > "I propose to show therefore, in my next, that as we are still 
only in
> > > the 5th subrace of the Parent race, and none of us shall live 
to see
> > > the 7thâ�"when things shall mend naturallyâ�"that it is 
just
> as well not
> > > to hang our hopes on science, whether orthodox or semi-
heretical. "
> > > (BCW VII, 70)
> > > 
> > > "At the close of every Root-Race there comes a cataclysm, in 
turn by
> > > fire or water. Immediately after the "Fall into generation" the 
dross
> > > of the third Root-Raceâ�"those who fell into sensuality by
> falling off
> > > from the teaching of the Divine Instructorsâ�"were 
destroyed, after
> > > which the Fourth Root-Race originated, at the end of which took 
place
> > > the last Deluge." (BCW IX, 81)
> > > 
> > > "Since the life-wave reached globe D in this fourth round, four
> > > root-races have run their course upon it, and the fifth root-
race has
> > > reached its fifth subdivision or sub-race, of which we are 
part. This
> > > fifth sub-race is said to be preparing in America for 
transition or
> > > transformation into the sixth sub-race: it is not entirely clear
> > > whether we in the United States today belong to the seventh
> > > family-race of the fifth sub-race, or to the first family race 
of the
> > > sixth sub-race. It seems certain that we are near the transition
> > > point, unless there must be an intervening pralayic period." 
(ALPHA,
> > > Path, December, 1892)
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