Theos-Talk Archives (February 2009 Message tt00046)

Nigel - Frank et all
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Does this indicate that some monads are at the highest point of the 4th sub race and are ready to move to the lowest point of the 5th subrace. That there are monads that have passed the middle point of the 4th subrace. Perhaps Lemuria was a major cycle and what we are experiencing now is a minor cycle concerned with the eventual move from the 4th subrace to the 5th subrace - the ark of return for some.
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Besant states that the 4th globe of the 4th round began on the moon and that after the middle of the 4th round animals can individualise (sorry my earlier mistake corrected) but not incarnate.
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As HPB said Buddhi has no function in the lower worlds except through Manas - does this mean that those ready for 5th subrace will begin the expansion of consciousness to unite Buddhi with Higher Manas - obviously after going through the 7 root races of the 5th subrace.ÂÂ 
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I have never studied the races in depth and would like to take this opportunity to learn more
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Cheers
Cass

--- On Tue, 3/2/09, Frank Reitemeyer <dzyan@online.de> wrote:


From: Frank Reitemeyer <dzyan@online.de>
Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: 4th sub-race
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Received: Tuesday, 3 February, 2009, 10:42 PM






Dear Nigel,
no, I will surely not agree as we speak here of two different things.

If you consider what HPB writes before and after your quotation about the calculation of the sub-races, you will be aware that HPB refers to our sub-race cycle within the subrace.
So Besant knew nothing about this esoteric blind of HPB and believed in the dead-letter she found in the book.

Below I give one of many possible quotes from Gottfried de Purucker about Besant's mistake from his "Studies". In his "Fundamentals, "Dialogues" and "Occult Glossary" other quotes can be found, that Besant and Leadbeater made a miscalculation about the races.

So considering that HPB used blinds - which is to be expected by the most occult doctrine of the races, the cardinal dogma of the Masters - how trustworthy are then the teachings of Besant and Leadbeater on the races? And how trustworthy are their teachings regarding other topics of which we may not have first-hand information of de Purucker or another messenger of the Masters?

Is this then the "true Theosophy" of which Anand speaks?
Frank

http://www.theosoci ety.org/pasadena /soph/sopqa06. htm
Sub-Races of the Fifth Root-Race
I have been a reader of Theosophical literature for a number of years and have understood from the teachings that we are now in the fifth Sub-Race of the Fifth Root-Race. But I read in Dr. de Purucker's illuminating book, FUNDAMENTALS OF THE ESOTERIC PHILOSOPHY, that this is a mistake; that we have not even reached the middle of the fourth Sub-Race; and that earlier teaching has been an intentional blind on this point. 

The present condition of the world certainly suggests that we are not a whole sub-race beyond the "acme of materiality. " But if such is the case, why was it necessary to withhold this teaching until today? And why are we more ready to receive it now than fifty years ago? Can anything further be said on this subject? 

The questioner, on the whole, has correctly understood my various references to the matter of the Races. It is, however, erroneous to suppose that the teaching concerning this matter has been 'withheld' until today; and, consequently, the above statement suggesting that we are now more ready to receive the teachings than others were fifty years ago is likewise a mistake. I would also like to point out that the earlier teaching on this matter was not "an intentional blind"; but H. P. B.'s teachings regarding the Races as given in The Secret Doctrine, have not been in all respects properly understood. 

In Fundamentals of the Esoteric Philosophy, on page 239, I have treated of this matter at sufficient length, it seems to me, although briefly; and I suggest that the questioner and others who may be interested in the facts, turn to H. P. B.'s The Secret Doctrine and especially to its Volume One, page 610, and ponder over the very clear and definite statements therein made. 

"The acme of materiality in each" Race is always the fourth stage or sub-race "or central point," e.g., the fourth Sub-Race of any Root-Race. Further, H. P. B. on this page of The Secret Doctrine says very clearly that "we are in the mid-point of our Sub-Race of the Fifth Root-Race -- the acme of materiality in each -- therefore the animal propensities, though more refined," etc. Now, these words, "the acme of materiality in each" solve the problem instantly, because two things are here referred to: the Fifth Root-Race and its "acme of materiality" which is the fourth Sub-Race; and, again, "the mid-point of our Sub-Race. It should be clear enough to anybody that being at the point where the "acme of materiality" in each is found, this places us therefore at, or nearing the middle point of, the fourth Sub-Race of the Fifth Root-Race. However, as there are always cycles within cycles, and smaller cycles again within these, even a fourth sub-race has its
 upward rises towards a relative intellectual development or a relative spiritual development, and also its descents thereafter. 

Since the discovery of America, we have been on the upward rise of a small minor cycle within the fourth Sub-Race; and this accounts for the great development in brain-mind intellectuality and for the flowering of material energies which the most myopic of modern individuals can see the signs of around us everywhere. 

To speak more accurately, we are at the present time actually passing through a small fifth subordinate race, forming part of a Family-Race, which in its turn is part of the fourth Sub-Race, which is the lowest great sub-race of the Fifth Root-Race. 

Again, as every industrious student of the archaic Wisdom knows who has pondered over the statements in H. P. B.'s The Secret Doctrine, every Root-Race, when its time comes, is cut in two in its middle part, i.e., at about the middle point of its fourth Sub-Race, as Atlantis was, and as Lemuria was. Such racial catastrophe obviously has not yet befallen us of the Fifth Root-Race; and the deduction is of course immediate and obvious: we have not yet reached the middle point of the fourth Sub-Race of the Fifth Root-Race -- although we are not far from this middle point. 

H. P. B. in The Secret Doctrine furthermore shows that the karmic geologic destiny of Europe -- when the final closing of many racial accounts will take place -- requires some sixteen thousand or more years before that event, a geologic racial catastrophe, reaches its maximum. But meanwhile, "coming events cast their shadows before"; and very serious seismic, tidal, and other catastrophic events will happen to certain European countries between now and the sixteen thousand years period of grace that Europe still has. H. P. B. has alluded to these events on several occasions in her writings, as in The Theosophist in an article later republished in Five Years of Theosophy, and also in articles in her Lucifer, in which places she calls attention to tidal waves and disastrous earthquakes that are already occurring, and clearly pointing to what will come in the future. 

Were we now in the fifth Sub-Race, as some have mistakenly supposed, we should have passed the cutting in two of our Fifth Root-Race; but this last has not occurred. The conclusion is therefore obvious. 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: nhcareyta 
To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 10:40 AM
Subject: Theos-World Re: 4th sub-race

Dear Frank

You write, "But true Theosophy teaches that we are before the 
middle point of the 4th sub-race."

However Madame Blavatsky writes, "But we are in the 5th race, 
and we have already passed the turning or axial point of our 
"sub-race cycle."
Occult Or Exact Science?
[The Theosophist, Vol. VII, No. 79, April, 1886, pp. 422-431]

As the fourth sub-race is the "axial point", it would appear 
we are past this.

Would you agree?

Regards
Nigel

--- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, "Frank Reitemeyer" <dzyan@...> 
wrote:
>
> Anand wrote:
> >Theosophical Society, under Annie Besant, and with it's pure
> Theosophy, was a huge success because that time Krishnamurti had not
> distorted teachings in TS.
> 
> Besant brought merely exoteric distortions and second-hand 
Theosophy, while 
> Blavatsky brought first-hand Theosophy.
> Besant and Leadbeater taught that we are preparing for the 5th sub-
race, 
> while the 4th sub-race, which they believed are the German, is soon 
dying 
> out.
> 
> This could be the pseudo-theosophical rationale for Besant to drum 
for war 
> against Germany in The Theosophist in the very smear words the 
Masons used 
> in 1870 and repeated in 1889 in Paris, as published by Karl Heise, 
co-worker 
> of Steiner.
> 
> But true Theosophy teaches that we are before the middle point of 
the 4th 
> sub-race.
> 
> Could it be that Besant's and Leadbeater's wrong calculation of the 
races 
> and sub-races led them to racism against innocent Germans?
> Members with German origin or German sounding names were persecuted 
by them 
> under their Antigermanism hype.
> 
> Individuals persecuted for the only reason that they belong to a 
wrong race. 
> Is that Anand's "pure Theosophy"?
> 
> Frank
>

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