Theos-Talk Archives (February 2009 Message tt00000)

Dear MKR and friends


Thanks for giving this overview.

I will throw a few words to consider...

I cannot help to disagree with these words given by you:
"First of all, when
any GC member thought anything being illegal, they need to have taken the
help of lawyers to examine the facts before coming to any conclusion about
legality or otherwise. Non lawyers and laymen and laywomen and scholars and
others are not competent to come to judgement about legal matters."


How can TS members rely on Laywers more than on esoteric theosophical teachings?
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I agree on that TS need to be more transparent, or at least more - clearly - open about its stance on various issues.
A great number of honest Seekers - potenital members and actual members  - want to know, why TS not yet has examined CWL's role in the TS and how one aught to relate to CWL and his teachings compared with the damage done and how people on the planet react towards a given policy of support or non-support of CWL's deeds and his teachings. - The same on J. Krishnamurti as being a World teacher or not a World teacher - and his teachings and deeds (or lack of them compared with other known earlier World Teachers) compared with for instances HPB, CWL, and others.

My view is: TS need to find the core TS teaching - thus Seeking the Truth - and NOT creating a blurred teaching were all is truth and nothing is wrong - except when one points this fact out as being a problem to the Theosophical cause.

But these are just my views.



M. Sufilight


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: MKR 
  To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 5:25 AM
  Subject: Theos-World HPB, OLCOTT, WQJ, AND PAST PRESIDENTS TURNING IN THEIR GRAVES!


  HPB, OLCOTT, WQJ, AND PAST PRESIDENTS TURNING IN THEIR GRAVES!

  Looking at the events around the TS during the past year, it makes me wonder
  if the Founders â HPB, Olcott and WQJ and all the past Presidents of TS, are
  turning in their graves.

  The motto of TS is THERE IS NO RELIGION HIGHER THAN TRUTH. But when we see
  the clear pattern in the various events during the last year, there seems to
  be a great disconnect between the motto and the events in which the elected
  leaders have participated. If HPB and others were witnessing them, they
  would be turning in their graves. Let us briefly review the events and which
  will speak for themselves.

  PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

  Several elected leaders of National Sections, especially from the European
  and Western countries, tried to portray a picture of the sitting President
  as physically and mentally very sick and hence should be defeated. Many
  members were informed of this picture in early stage of the electioneering,
  believed it, because it was coming from their elected leaders.

  Lo and behold, soon three physicians from two continents (one a National
  Secretary) declared her fit both physically and mentally. Even after this
  objective professional assessment, no effort was made by those who wanted to
  defeat her to level with their membership and inform them of the factual
  information contradicting their earlier claims.

  ELECTION RESULTS

  Radha Burnier was elected with an overwhelming number of votes. When this
  happened, instead of accepting the decision of the voters, those who wanted
  to defeat her complained about defective voting in the Indian Section.
  Indian Section is the largest section in the World and the turnout was also
  very high compared to other sections. These allegations were just
  allegations without substantive factual evidence. When the Indian Section
  questioned these allegations, it was met with silence.

  DISENFRANCHISEMENT/COUP ATTEMPT

  Many members thought that voters having had their say, we will get on with
  our main mission, further the cause of theosophy. They were entirely
  mistaken. One morning everyone woke up to find a plan to disenfranchise
  members all over the world and the GC to seize control of the presidency.
  Already, GC has the monopoly to nominate the candidates. The well crafted
  coup plan, moved to monopolize the appointment (the election being just a
  farce) by the GC thus seizing the control of the president resulting in
  making the president a puppet in the hands of a small group of GC members.

  What was shocking to members around the world was the fact that the plan was
  crafted in greatest secrecy and was to be taken up in the upcoming GC
  meeting and get it approved speedily. Not even long time members working in
  Adyar, Wheaton, and other International centers even had an inkling of the
  move. All woke up one day to find the shocking news from Internet. But for
  the Internet and the maillists such as theos-talk, no one would have known
  about it until it was a fait accompli and nothing much can be done by
  members.

  The disclosure of this plan met with member outrage from every part of the
  world and we should not be surprised if it is moved forward again when we
  least expect it. All of us should be vigilant and watchful.

  The reader can decide for himself or herself, if this is how an organization
  which prides itself of propagating Brotherhood/Sisterhood to the world,
  should treat its members.

  ALLEGATIONS OF ILLEGALITY

  In the light of the above events, eyes of all members were on the GC meeting
  in December. Some weeks after the meeting, members learnt a few crumbs about
  the business transacted in the meeting. An allegation made by some of the
  members who were in the camp that wanted to defeat Radha Burnier, that there
  was illegality in the election deadline for the Indian Section.

  A committee consisting of some highly regarded, long time TS members with
  impeccable integrity was responsible for all aspects of the election. If the
  election committee decided to extend the voting deadline for the Indian
  Section, it is beyond imagination they would have done anything illegal in
  violation of the rules under which the election was conducted. The members
  of the committee are such highly ethical people, that if they saw any
  illegality, they would not have hesitated to resign immediately and would
  not have kept quiet and in this day and age of Internet, all of us would
  have known it.

  The allegation of illegality raises some basic questions. First of all, when
  any GC member thought anything being illegal, they need to have taken the
  help of lawyers to examine the facts before coming to any conclusion about
  legality or otherwise. Non lawyers and laymen and laywomen and scholars and
  others are not competent to come to judgement about legal matters. Also
  these are important legal issues and without substantive legally sound
  evidence of illegality, it is not fair to assail the integrity of the
  members of the election committee.

  If this is a serious issue, why was it not brought up in the meeting? Two
  tie votes in the proceeding shows that if factual supporting evidence was
  presented in the meeting, a large majority of the members would have
  supported discussion on it and further action. One wonders if this is just a
  red herring to divert the attention of the members from other more
  fundamental and important issues and try to paint somehow the Indian Section
  voting is faulty. If there is a continuous chorus of inaccurate or
  misleading information, in due course current and potential future members
  will start believing in them.

  TRANSPARENCY

  Lack of transparency is root cause of all the troubles TS is facing. While
  allowing observers in the meeting is first good step, it is only a first
  step. Details about the meeting was very slow in coming out. I feel that
  only crumbs of the proceedings have come out, with of course each one's spin
  and the secrecy continues, because secrecy is helpful to the GC members and
  not the membership. Based on the recent past experience, we have to suspect
  more is going on behind the scenes.

  WHY HPB AND OTHER LEADERS ARE TURNING IN THEIR GRAVES

  HPB and other leaders in their graves could not even in their dreams imagine
  what is happening in the TS they built on the foundation of Brotherhood
  (Sisterhood) with the simple, yet very basic motto â THERE IS NO RELIGION
  HIGHER THAN TRUTH.

  Like the Coloumb crisis, (where the real culprits were the Dugpas and
  Shammars) TS will eventually come out of the current crisis; yet we do not
  know what a heavy price would be paid by TS in the set back in its long term
  mission to help the Orphan Humanity.

  Many members and others are not aware of this mailing list. You may want to
  pass on the info to them so that they can keep up with the developments and
  other items of interest.

  M K Ramadoss
  MKR777_at_GMAIL.COM

  THERE IS NO RELIGION HIGHER THAN TRUTH

  ANYONE CAN REPOST OR MAKE USE OF THIS MESSAGE

  To read all the messages posted on Internet on TS matters, Anton's
  website makes it easy to navigate. Thanks Anton. The links are:

  <http://teozofija.info/Teozofsko_gibanje/After_Convention_2008.htm>
  <http://teozofija.info/Teozofsko_gibanje/Healing_Time.htm>

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