Theos-Talk Archives (January 2009 Message tt00660)

Dear Ramadoss and All

In all organisations, at some level or another, personal and 
institutional power politics are at play. This is the nature 
of the human mindset at this stage of its evolution.

Where differing perspectives and points of view are held
therein lies the potential for discord and abuse of power.

What is disappointing in this current situation is the apparent
lack or even loss of theosophical principles by many on both 
sides of this divide.

It seems a win at all cost attitude has prevailed with each 
side apparently believing they are either more right, more 
virtuous, more deserving or more worthy.

This attitude of certainty is necessarily arrogant which leads 
to its manifestation through personalities.

Given the current highly competitive nature of humanity's 
worldview can we expect anything other than this from leaders 
in power, theosophical or otherwise?

Theosophy offers many principles as fundamental to its 
philosophy. Paramount amongst these is Brotherhood.

This principle initially suggests that all is essentially One. 
>From this we deduce that all is interconnected, interrelated
and most importantly interdependent.

The nature of interdependence necessitates all to contribute
positively and harmoniously if Brotherhood is to be, at the
level of mental and physical manifestation.

As a democratic organisation, the Adyar Theosophical Society's
leaders have a moral obligation to ensure full disclosure of all 
matters of importance to its members, with due consideration 
for tact and diplomacy. 
>From this mindset, Brotherhood principles of honesty, 
openness and compassionate consideration for others become 
manifest through personalities.

Whilst we live by the Darwinian principle of survival of the 
strongest, where in human terms the most cunning and politically
manipulative prevail, where power takes precedence over principle, 
we as collective humanity will never manifest Brotherhood. 

If Brotherhood is a fundamental principle of theosophy, is it 
not the dharma of all individuals, especially those responsible 
for the operation of the Adyar Society, to manifest this 
principle rather than promote the crude practices of power, 
however well intentioned?

Regards
Nigel


--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, MKR <mkr777@...> wrote:
>
> Bill, your response is appropriate.
> 
> When one who is a National Secretary and does not respond to simple
> questions on fundamental issues, one wonders what else is going on 
behind
> the scenes?
> 
> Coupled with that, is the telling comment about some theosophists 
from
> Brazil who were in Adyar --- "The personal agendas of one or two 
people
> involved and the connections between them need close examination."  
and
> combined with the tie vote, raises the simple question what other 
unspoken
> or unspeakable forces or issues are working behind the scenes.
> 
> So far, none of the reports from the National Secretaries has 
revealed the
> specific breakdown of the two camps on either side of the tie vote. 
This
> detail is likely to reveal more about the under the surface forces 
at work.
> 
> When you see possible dissention, disagreement etc., it is, my 
opinion, a
> sure sign of Dugpas' influence to the detriment of TS and theosophy 
and
> unsuspected by members.
> 
> Don't be surprised by any development not conducive to theosophy 
and TS,
> since members are still at dark about any other GC members' 
activity that is
> going on behind the scenes. That is why, the urgency of 
transparency. Just
> put a camera on all the meetings and hook it up to Internet and we 
all can
> see what is going on and judge for ourselves.
> 
> M K Ramadoss
> 
> MKR777_at_GMAIL.COM
> 
> THERE IS NO RELIGION HIGHER THAN TRUTH
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 7:29 PM, t_s_theosophist 
<THEOSOPHIST@...>wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > WARWICK KEYS RESPONDS WITH A REFUSAL TO RESPOND
> >
> > -----------------
> > You can view Mr. Keys response:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/48710
> >
> > ----------------------
> >
> > With a smug imperial contentedness Warwick Keys "Refuses" to 
engage in
> > respectful dialogue or answer questions of accountability with 
those whom he
> > refers to as "Discontents & Bleaters."
> >
> > Such disdain for the intelligence of ordinary members is 
repugnant to the
> > democratic mindset and process.
> >
> > I do not mind the pejoratives, I have been called worse. But I 
have always
> > followed the rules, Level, Plumb, & Square. I am puzzeled by Mr 
Keys refusal
> > to answer directly and openly simple questions of integrity and
> > accountability regarding the genesis of the noted proposals to 
change the
> > Society.
> >
> > It looks as if this has all struck a very sensitive nerve, and we 
should
> > all be on guard about
> > any leader who would hide beind "imperial privilidge" and a 
disdain for the
> > protocols of
> > open democratic dialogue, much less for the respect of ordinary 
fellow
> > members.
> >
> > Mr Keys asks us to "Stop bleating with uninformed and emotive 
nonsense and
> > open your eyes and ears to TRUTH. This is my one and only 
comment."
> >
> > I fail to see how a direct probing and inquiry for honest answers 
can be
> > construed as "uninformed and emotive nonsense" as Mr.Keys puts it.
> >
> > After all thats EXACTLY what we are attempting to do is to find 
the actual
> > TRUTH. Of course, you can remain behind your smug imperial 
perogative, that
> > speaks the TRUTH more eloquently that any rhetoric you could 
offer.
> >
> > Fraternally;
> >
> > William Delahunt
> > Orlando, Florida
> > Theosophist@... <Theosophist%40webtv.net>
> >
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> >
> > INFORMATION LINKS
> >
> > Keep Up To Date On The Discussion of These Issues....
> >
> > After the General Council Meeting 2008
> >
> > (click link)
> > http://teozofija.info/Teozofsko_gibanje/After_Convention_2008.htm
> >
> > Time for Healing and Creative Solutions
> >
> > (click link)
> > http://teozofija.info/Teozofsko_gibanje/Healing_Time.htm
> >
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> >
> > It Is Important That Members Should Talk To Each Other, and 
increase The
> > Lateral Communication Among Ourselves.
> >
> > LET'S TALK
> >
> > Click this link to begin the journey and Dialogue...
> >
> > (click link)
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TSDIALOGUE/
> >
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> >
> > Share These Links With Your Lodges And Groups And Other 
Theosophists You
> > Know Of.
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