Theos-Talk Archives (January 2009 Message tt00615)

What HPB meaned with numberless of infinites, what do you think?
Of course she meant the numberless of monads, which are infinite.
Christina














--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Cass Silva <silva_cass@...> wrote:
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> Thanks Christina
> "Considered in this manner, there is one Infinite, made up of 
> numberless infinites."
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> Isn't this the same as what I am suggesting?   Except I am using 
finite - eg. numberless finites -Infinite to our way of thinking 
means never ending - what does she mean then by numberless infinites?
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> Cass
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> --- On Fri, 23/1/09, christinaleestemaker 
<christinaleestemaker@...> wrote:
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> From: christinaleestemaker <christinaleestemaker@...>
> Subject: Theos-World Re: 1. Maya .Finite and infinite
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> Received: Friday, 23 January, 2009, 5:43 PM
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> This is what I have found over the finite and infinite in Mahatma 
> letter 6 on internet.
> Plato was right: ideas rule the world; and, as men's minds will 
> receive new ideas, laying aside the old and effete, the world will 
> advance: mighty revolutions will spring from them; creeds and even 
> powers will crumble before their onward march crushed by the 
> irresistible force. It will be just as impossible to resist their 
> influx, when the time comes, as to stay the progress of the tide. 
But 
> all this will come gradually on, and before it comes we have a duty 
> set before us; that of sweeping away as much as possible the dross 
> left to us by our pious forefathers. New ideas have to be planted 
on 
> clean places, for these ideas touch upon the most momentous 
subjects. 
> It is not physical phenomena but these universal ideas that we 
study, 
> as to comprehend the former, we have to first understand the 
latter. 
> They touch man's true position in the universe, in relation to his 
> previous and future births; his origin and ultimate destiny; the 
> relation of the mortal to the immortal; of the temporary to the 
> eternal; of the finite to the infinite; ideas larger, grander, more 
> comprehensive, recognising the universal reign of Immutable Law, 
> unchanging and unchangeable in regard to which there is only an 
> ETERNAL Now, while to uninitiated mortals time is past or future as 
> related to their finite existence on this material speck of dirt. 
> This is what we study and what many have solved.
> 
> And now it is your province to decide which will you have: the 
> highest philosophy or simple exhibitions of occult powers. Of 
course 
> this is by far not the last word between us and -- you will have 
time 
> to think it over. The Chiefs want a "Brotherhood of Humanity," a 
real 
> Universal Fraternity started; an institution which would make 
itself 
> known throughout the world and arrest the attention of the highest 
> minds. I will send you my Essay. Will you be my co-worker and 
> patiently wait for minor phenomena? I think I foresee the answer. 
At 
> all events the holy lamp of spiritual light burning in you (however 
> dimly) there is hope for you, and -- for me, also. Yes; put 
yourself 
> in search after natives if there are no English people to be had. 
But 
> think you, the spirit and power of persecution gone from this 
> enlightened age? Time will prove. Meanwhile, being human I have to 
> rest. I took no sleep for over 60 hours.
> 
> Ever yours truly,
> 
> KOOT' HOOMI. 
> 
> And few sight over Collected writings, perhaps she have written 
more 
> in secret doctrine and key to theosophy, but I will let it for now:
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> HPB.Collected writings IV
> Page 536
> 
> vehicles, if preferred, as to facilitate the manifestation of his 
> individuality in its original nature.
> 
> My own inference is that Advaita and this coincide, the former 
> considering that Jivan is Parabrahm, modified by the latter into 
> "Jivan is a part only of Parabrahm."
> 
> We believe not. A true esoteric Vedantic Advaitee would say: Aham 
eva 
> Parambrahm, "I am also Parabrahm." In its external manifestation 
> Jivan may be regarded as a distinct individualityâ?" the latter a 
maya; 
> in its essence or nature Jivan isâ?"Parabrahm, the consciousness of 
the 
> Paramatma manifesting through, and existing solely in, the 
aggregated 
> Jivans viewed collectively. A creek in the shore of the ocean is 
one, 
> so long only as the land it stretches upon is not redeemed. Forced 
> back, its water becomes the ocean.
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> Considered in this manner, there is one Infinite, made up of 
> numberless infinites.
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> We are at a loss to know what our learned brother can mean by Jivan 
> being "dependent" on the whole, unless "inseparable from" is meant. 
> If the whole is "all-pervading" and "infinite," all its parts must 
be 
> indivisibly linked together. The idea of separation involves the 
> possibility of a vacuumâ?"a portion of space or time where the whole 
is 
> supposed to be absent from some given point. Hence the absurdity of 
> speaking of the parts of one Infinite being also infinite. To 
> illustrate geometrically, suppose there is an infinite line, which 
> has neither a beginning nor end. Its parts cannot also be infinite, 
> for when you say "parts," they must have a beginning and end; or, 
in 
> other words, they must be finite, either at one or the other end, 
> which is as evident a fallacy as to speak of an immortal soul which 
> was at some time createdâ?"thus implying a beginning to that which, 
if 
> the word has any sense, is eternal.
> 
> Jiva, Iswara and Maya are considered to be real, all the three in 
> this light, i.e., as long as anything has existence, it is real or 
> true, although that existence may not last forever. The Advaitee 
says 
> that only that which is immutable is true, and all things temporary 
> and liable to change are illusionary; whereas the 
Vi&#347;ishtadvaite e 
> says that as immutability is real in the eternity, so mutability is 
> also real for the time being, and so long as there is no change. My 
> own inference is that all the difficulty here lies in the words, 
but 
> that the idea is one. 
> 
> Collected writings VIII
> Page 88
> 
> unknown principle called Parabrahman, Ã?di-Buddha, the "One and 
> Eternal Wisdom."
> If there is a still greater absurdity than to speak of a cruel God: 
> it is to admit that God, the Great, Absolute Whole, could ever 
> interfere in terrestrial or human affairs. The infinite cannot 
> associate with the finite; the unconditioned ignores the 
conditioned 
> and the limited. The absolute "Intelligence- Wisdom" cannot act in 
the 
> restricted space of a small globe. It is omnipresent and latent in 
> the Kosmos, infinite as itself. We find its only truly active 
> manifestation in humanity as a whole, composed as it is of stray 
> sparks, finite in their objective duration, eternal in their 
essence, 
> issuing from that Hearth without beginning or end. Therefore, the 
> only God whom we should serve is Humanity, and our only cult should 
> be the love of our fellow man. Doing evil towards him, we wound God 
> and make him suffer. When we deny our brotherly duties and refuse 
to 
> consider a pagan as well as a European as our brother, we deny God. 
> This is our religion and our dogmas.
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> --- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, "christinaleestemak er" 
> <christinaleestemak er@> wrote:
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> > Yes Cass, but than( after that trillion of years) we may hope 
that 
> > the infinite have taken place over the finite.
> > Christina
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> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, Cass Silva <silva_cass@ > 
wrote:
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> > > Within a cycle there is Christina - Each Manvantara has its 
> Pralaya 
> > - so one could argue that infinity resides in pre-pralaya and all 
> > else that is a result of it is still finite - even if we are 
> talking 
> > about trillions of our years.
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> > > --- On Fri, 23/1/09, christinaleestemake r 
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> > > From: christinaleestemake r <christinaleestemak er@>
> > > Subject: 1. Maya . 2.Re: Theos-World Re: Our latest news: 
America 
> > run on guns!!!
> > > To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
> > > Received: Friday, 23 January, 2009, 8:16 AM
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> > > As I understand well, if it is to be measured it is finite
(Maya) 
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> > > for that it is not the alpha and omega the infinite, what is 
the 
> > only 
> > > reality,which is not to be measured for there is no beginning 
and 
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> > > end.
> > > Christina
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> > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, Jayananda Hiranandani 
> > > <professorjaya@ ...> wrote:
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> > > > The root of word maya, is ma (a is long as in father). It 
means 
> > > measure, which makes it finite. In Sindhi, (an Indo-Aryan 
> language 
> > > with many Sanskrit words, perhaps 70 per cent), the word for 
> > measure 
> > > is mapa (first a is long as in father, the second is short as 
in 
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> > > > Jayananda H. Hiranandani
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> > > > --- On Thu, 1/22/09, christinaleestemake r 
> > > <christinaleestemak er@> wrote:
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> > > > From: christinaleestemake r <christinaleestemak er@>
> > > > Subject: Theos-World Re: Our latest news: America run on 
guns!!!
> > > > To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
> > > > Date: Thursday, January 22, 2009, 10:59 AM
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> > > > Mistake need to read for infinite -- FINITE=Maya
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> > > > Infinite is NOT
> > > > Christina
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> > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, "christinaleestemak er" 
> > > > <christinaleestemak er@> wrote:
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> > > > > Don't worry Adalasie and others.
> > > > > All what is infinite is MAYA.
> > > > > But I am glad I don't live in America. ( 70 % of the 
> Americans 
> > > > > bought a gun (nov-dec and jan) accept the ones already have 
> one.
> > > > > I don't think they use it for hunting on hares!
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> > > > > PS Here it is forbidden to have a gun, only policeman may 
> have 
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> > > > > only use in vital threat
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