Re: Theos-World Was the psychic Blavatsky really right about the Catholic Church?"
Jan 16, 2009 07:58 AM
by Martin
Which self?
--- On Fri, 1/16/09, Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@stofanet.dk> wrote:
From: Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@stofanet.dk>
Subject: Re: Theos-World Was the psychic Blavatsky really right about the Catholic Church?"
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, January 16, 2009, 4:29 PM
I can only say that you did not tell me about whether you got your definition of Akasa from yourself or from another source.
M. Sufilight
----- Original Message -----
From: Martin
To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 8:47 PM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Was the psychic Blavatsky really right about the Catholic Church?"
Just read my previous answer again and subsequently know my main hobby is sound and music in a non commercial way.
--- On Thu, 1/15/09, Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@ stofanet. dk> wrote:
From: Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@ stofanet. dk>
Subject: Re: Theos-World Was the psychic Blavatsky really right about the Catholic Church?"
To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 8:35 PM
Dear friends and Martin
My views are:
Martin would you be so kind as to state how you arrived at your definition of Akasha?
. . . . . .
The Theosophical Glossary says:
"Akâsa (Sk.). The subtle, supersensuous spiritual essence which pervades all space; the primordial substance erroneously identified with Ether. But it is to Ether what Spirit is to Matter, or Âtmâ to Kâma-rûpa. It is, in fact, the Universal Space in which lies inherent the eternal Ideation of the Universe in its ever-changing aspects on the planes of matter and objectivity, and from which radiates the First Logos, or expressed thought. This is why it is stated in the Purânas that Âkâsa has but one attribute, namely sound, for sound is but the translated symbol of Logos-"Speech" in its mystic sense. In the same sacrifice (the Jyotishtoma Agnishtoma) it is called the "God Âkâsa". In these sacrificial mysteries Âkâsa is the all-directing 'and omnipotent Deva who plays the part of Sadasya, the superintendent over the magical effects of the religious performance, and it had its own appointed Hotri (priest) in days of old, who took its name. The
Âkâsa is the indispensable agent of every Krityâ (magical performance) religious or profane. The expression "to stir up the Brahmâ", means to stir up the power which lies latent at the bottom of every magical operation, Vedic sacrifices being in fact nothing if not ceremonial magic. This power is the Âkâsa-in another aspect, Kundalini-occult electricity, the alkahest of the alchemists in one sense, or the universal solvent, the same anima mundi on the higher plane as the astral light is on the lower. "At the moment of the sacrifice the priest becomes imbued with the spirit of Brahmâ, is, for the time being, Brahmâ himself". (Isis Unveiled). "
http://theosophical glossary. net/
W. Q.Judge said:
"Akasa is the fifth Kosmic Element; the Element above or rather within the other elements of earth, water, air, and fire; derived from the verb-root kas -- to shine; hence 'the shining substance.' Akasa is primordial spacial substance of a subtil supersensuous and spiritual nature and it pervades all things. It is the vehicle of Divine Thought and hence it is said to have but one attribute, that of sound. The Akasa is the medium of the higher thoughts of men, the medium by which they can communicate with the Gods. Akasa, sometimes called 'occult electricity, ' is used in the carrying out of any magical or spiritual performance. Akasa has been called by the Mahatmans the 'tablet of memory' of the Hierarchy of Dhyan-Chohans as well as of every spiritual Ego, while the Astral Light is the 'tablet of memory' of the earth and of animal man. When a man loves all things, as did the Buddha, he surrounds himself with Akasic substance which becomes a protective
shield which no malevolent influences can penetrate."
http://www.theosoph y-nw.org/ theosnw/ctg/ ak-al.htm
M. Sufilight
----- Original Message -----
From: Martin
To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 8:00 PM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Was the psychic Blavatsky really right about the Catholic Church?"
The Akasha records are the Banks of memory of every being. Some beings use these records before they are born in a certain reality and try to make their own copy of it.
This can only be done by beings that do not belong to the plane of existance they appear into. However since the time for such a being is shorter than the history of that particular world, this kind of being uses symbology or some kind of experiences to recollect in a jiffy what has happened sofar on that particular world. In that way he or she or it can find sollutions to current affairs other beings are burdened with, without them and/or they having caused it.
By doing so, in fact such a being can find all about this particular world in Himself.
--- On Thu, 1/15/09, Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@ stofanet. dk> wrote:
From: Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@ stofanet. dk>
Subject: Re: Theos-World Was the psychic Blavatsky really right about the Catholic Church?"
To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 7:25 PM
I do not recall that either. But please do not read my words too literally.
But you asked: "And what do I need Akasha for? "
Akasha is pervading everything.
M. Sufilight
----- Original Message -----
From: Martin
To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 7:13 PM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Was the psychic Blavatsky really right about the Catholic Church?"
Did you get the word hate also from Akasha, since I do not recall having used it?
--- On Thu, 1/15/09, Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@ stofanet. dk> wrote:
From: Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@ stofanet. dk>
Subject: Re: Theos-World Was the psychic Blavatsky really right about the Catholic Church?"
To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 6:59 PM
What is a fantasy to some is the Akasha to others.
Being one with ParaBrahm is being one with transcended compassion.
None is one with ParaBrahm without being one with the Akasha.
But if you hate being one, it is your choice.
One is one with all future, and another is not.
M. Sufilight
----- Original Message -----
From: Martin
To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 6:37 PM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Was the psychic Blavatsky really right about the Catholic Church?"
Dear Morten:
I am always interested in Ainsophy and this forum and its members. Accused of being a fantast by so many people I can say The Bhagavat Gita is as much a fantasy as is the Bible or anything written or said about beings who didn't sign the end book. This is why R. Steiner wanted to have him mentioned when quoting his works, and this is why I keep my own life as my own fantasy without being solepsistic ( no lonely whale here ) and have ordered my bookkeeper not to spread my whole story as of yet. And what do I need Akasha for? If I recollect my own life and search deep, I find sollutions to problems that havent even happened yet in this time on this plane of existance...
Everyone has his or hers story to tell and by the exchange of experiences especially in a forum like this, we can focus ourselves without words, forms or any of the outward sensual on That which lives in all of us: a causeless cause, born from the Void, blooming and returning into it. Accepting Nature to be the only master, and not just Earth's Nature!
--- On Thu, 1/15/09, Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@ stofanet. dk> wrote:
From: Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@ stofanet. dk>
Subject: Re: Theos-World Was the psychic Blavatsky really right about the Catholic Church?"
To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 5:50 PM
Dear friends and Martin
My views are:
I take it, that You are not interested in theosophy and the members at this forum?
Please understand Frank talked about being "lonely Wolves".
I therefore sought to tell him, that we were not alone.
Sure, The core is ParaBrahm.
The Manvantara dissolves and Pralaya is.
If it is possible for me to be more helpful to you I would recommend you to contemplate the following quote and the inner essence of it - if possible for you - in the Akasha version of the Bhagavad Gita.
(Try Bhagavad Gita by Sir Edwin Arnold, Chapter 8,
v16-22)
"The worlds, Arjuna! -- even Brahma's world --
Roll back again from Death to Life's unrest;
But they, O Kunti's Son! that reach to Me,
Taste birth no more. If ye know Brahma's Day
Which is a thousand Yugas; if ye know
The thousand Yugas making Brahma's Night,
Then know ye Day and Night as He doth know!
When that vast Dawn doth break, th' Invisible
Is brought anew into the Visible;
When that deep Night doth darken, all which is
Fades back again to Him Who sent it forth;
Yea! this vast company of living things --
Again and yet again produced -- expires
At Brahma's Nightfall; and, at Brahma's Dawn,
Riseth, without its will, to life new-born.
But -- higher, deeper, innermost -- abides
Another Life, not like the life of sense,
Escaping sight, unchanging. This endures
When all created things have passed away;
This is that Life named the Unmanifest,
The Infinite! the All! the Uttermost.
Thither arriving none return. That Life
Is Mine, and I am there! And, Prince! by faith
Which wanders not, there is a way to come
Thither. I, the PURUSHA, I Who spread
The Universe around me -- in Whom dwell
All living Things -- may so be reached and seen!"
http://www.theosoph y-nw.org/ theosnw/ctg/ bhaggita. htm
We know the above to be the truth.
And we know, that we are going there and are staying there beyond time.
M. Sufilight
----- Original Message -----
From: Martin
To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 10:43 PM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Was the psychic Blavatsky really right about the Catholic Church?"
I am not interested in those Mahatma's, Morten you didn't reply to my private message.
I am interested in the very core of humanity, the real men, not in some obscure Mahatma's.
And the interest goes both ways, since I have experiences with formless beings as well as formbeings, been on the sun, the moon etc. I have learned the powers of Nature but do not use them, I learned all ways of human existance and I care not...all I want to share is information no one else has. Till that day comes I'll be as cunning a human can be, untouchable and untracable. So I gave you both an invitation: no answer means the deal is off...and I'll go on.
--- On Wed, 1/14/09, Frank Reitemeyer <dzyan@online. de> wrote:
From: Frank Reitemeyer <dzyan@online. de>
Subject: Re: Theos-World Was the psychic Blavatsky really right about the Catholic Church?"
To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 10:16 PM
Morten, I would like to learn something about direct spiritual experiences from a direct source.
So far I remember I only once met a person with direct Mahatma contacts.
I thought your answers could be more authentic as to read about Mahatma contacts in books.
There is so much information about contacts with higher beings which are contradicting each other.
Therefore information and comparison is necessary.
So I am always interesting to hear about direct experiences to train my knowledge and my ability to get in touch with the Masters for myself.
I think, other Blavatsky students here, too as being in touch with a Master is better than reading books.
Of course I do not want to bring you in troubles in case there are restrictions to talk about your encounters.
Do they left artefacts for memorials? Olcott was given a shwal, which he always presented at conventions, if I remember right.
Frank
----- Original Message -----
From: Morten Nymann Olesen
To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 9:51 PM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Was the psychic Blavatsky really right about the Catholic Church?"
If I answer it could be a good idea. But for whom?
If I do not answer it could be an good idea. But for whom?
Oh dear, and we are as honest Seekers always bound to help us all forward.
What to do.
Let me ask, why do you want to know these things?
I and others are of course only allowed to help in accordance with our own and others Karmic situation.
M. Sufilight
----- Original Message -----
From: Frank Reitemeyer
To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 8:52 PM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Was the psychic Blavatsky really right about the Catholic Church?"
>No, together with the Initiates and Masters nearby.
Remember I have said more than one time, that I have meet them?
Yes, Morten, but I had more other fellow-students, co-workers etc. in mind.
Judge and also W. Emmett Small said something to the effect that in teh 21th
century students are more or less have to stand on their own.
Masters are always around us, regardless whether we see them or not.
Yes, I remember you saying that you have met a Master, but can't remember at
the moment whether it was KH or M or someone else.
Whom exactly did you met and how often?
Is it in the physical world or in the astral?
If a meeting is planned, is it then a one way or a two way situation (Can
you from your side ask for a meeting?)
Do you receive orders what to do or what not do?
Did you get an outline of the dangerous world situation and did the Master
explain you what mankind has to await now?
Thank you very much in advance.
Best from Berlin
Frank
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