Theos-Talk Archives (January 2009 Message tt00366)

Sure Prof. Christian Lindtner is woth an effort.
Yet he is very western in his style of writing. :-)


M. Sufilight

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  Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 7:56 PM
  Subject: Re: Theos-World Bulwer-Lytton and Bunsen


  Frank,

  >>>In Codex II of Nag Hammadi there is to be find the Book of Thomas. It contains secret doctrines for the Perfected Ones.<<<

  I was one that got my copy of the Nag Hammadhi in LA back in the mid 1970's. It was one of the first 15 copies in LA.It is priceless to me. Yes I read the Thomas document and also have at ;least two other separate books of the same. The Sethean Treatises are excellent. The Triple name of "Jesus- Aberamenthou- Setheus" was added to by the Sethean works.

  I haven't any awareness of Lindtner or Baumann, have made a note on my suspense pad to Google both later. 

  Regards,
  John

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  From: "Frank Reitemeyer" <dzyan@online.de> 
  John,
  I have the said Bunsen book (and all what he wrote) on long to-do-list.
  Someday will go to our national archives and make digital photos of it.
  If I'll find new significant information Blavatsky students must know, I'll keep this list informed.

  I like the gnostics, too. As the gnostics were the pupils of buddhist missionaries in Greece, who in turn inspired neo-platonism, they played an important role for the enlightenment o peling-pa. No wonder HPB chosed the greek term theosophy as she implies with this decision that she wanted to take it up. Considering the hear-say is hardly to believe that the decision for the word theosophy was just a chance by consulting a lexicon.

  Yes, there are many things to find in gnosticism which match our theosophical teachings.
  In Codex II of Nag Hammadi there is to be find the Book of Thomas. It contains secret doctrines for the Perfected Ones.

  Yet, gnosticism should also be seen in light to the important findings of Prof. Christian Lindtner, who gives ultimate and utter linguistic, geometric and phonetic proofs that the four gospels of the NT are a translation of Sanskrit texts of the Buddha. Lindtner matches HPB and GdeP on this, although they speak not so unveiled as Lindtner does. But once you know, you can easily see that both HPB and GdeP new it well.

  From the point of view of a Blavatsky student who is now in danger to fell into depression considering the troublesome outer and theosophical conditions, Lindtner's research (also that of Bruno Baumann about Shambala-Shang Shun, etc.) is a sign of hope: The occult machinations have not stopped, despite the stupidness or organized theosophy and the Masters plan for building a new temple of knowledge has not abandoned and karma finds a way to make known what must go out. Truth needs no ostrich theosophists. But theosophist need truth. The usual hostility against free speech, research and knowledge in many theosophical circles will not stop the truth, although the ignorants may be happy with their habits, which accroding to their superstition prevents them from bad karma. No brain, no pain.

  Frank

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  Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 9:36 AM
  Subject: Re: Theos-World Bulwer-Lytton and Bunsen

  Frank,
  Thanks, I printed it out so I have a reference. The Pistis Sophia was only one of four parts of a tetrad of works that were sister parts, Another was later published in the absolutely wonderful "Nag Hammadhi Library" viz "The Book of the Great Invisible Spirit", Emile Amelineau according to G. R .S. Mead published the other on French but to my knowledge they have never been translated into an English Publishment. I feel that though these works are arcane to most readers the Gnostic Literature contained Non-Dual Teaching within it's skin as I read it, I always found a wonderful reiteration of Blavatskys Teaching seen within the corpus.

  The "Unity" of Religion's has basis in my personal viewpoint due to that fact that all the "Senior Principles" found used as basis for Metaphysic Reflection constitute " Perrenial Projections of Primary Axiomatic Reality" that man cannot overturn, deflect, or stop from presenting through the ages of time. Comparative study reiterates in various cultures.

  Regards,
  John

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  From: "Frank Reitemeyer" <dzyan@online.de> 

  John,
  for the record:

  Bunsen, Ernst von : Die Einheit der Religionen im Zusammenhange mit den Voelkerwanderungen der Urzeit und der Geheimlehre, Berlin 1870, 2 vols.
  (The Unity of the Religions in connection with the migrations of the peoples in ancient times and the secret doctrine).

  And me thought that theosophy has a better standing in USA as in Germany. Here the situation with acedemics and other eggheads is very exasperating.
  They have always the talent to come to wrong, shortsighted conclusions in 9 out of 10 cases! 

  I think when I would have such people around me the whole day, I would soon suffer a heart attack.

  But to be fair, I observe a little increase in academic interest on theosophy. More and more student's home works on it and thanks to the many American online texts (i guess) they are gettting more and more small about the Coloumb conspiracy and the fraud cryings are silenced in the lastest academic publications, the withdrawal of the SPR is mentioned.

  Frank

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  Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 6:41 PM
  Subject: Re: Theos-World Bulwer-Lytton and Bunsen

  Frank,
  Interesting comments. Bunsen is referenced by G. R. S. Mead in his works but trying to find his works here in the USA isn't very productive. Now perhaps you give a reason why. The bias about any Academic who had contacts with HPB That made them radioactive.

  Regards,
  John

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  From: "Frank Reitemeyer" <dzyan@online.de> 
  Paul,
  thank you for that important information on Bunsen.
  Image, although since many years I try to absorb all lost information esp. 
  to theosophical history in Germany (which was more important in quantity and 
  quality than many believe), I came across the Bunsen 1870 Berlin book on the 
  secret doctrine only recently.

  IF Bunsen had direct connentions with Blavatsky then he could be the reason 
  for her Berlin visit around 1860 (I am writing from memory).
  That would explain why she mentions Bunsen and other titles from him, but 
  not this important book.

  It seems to have been HPB's custom to paraphrase from important occult 
  books, but not to give the exactly source.

  For example she gives the higher mahayana teachings and speaks of the 
  doctrines of the good law, but she does not explicitly say that she means 
  the Lotus Sutra.
  Or she helds Nostradamus in high regards, but deals next to nothing with 
  this important person, at least in her public books.

  Perhaps a situation for Blavatsky students (including myself) to think over 
  the Coleman critic on HPB's quotation habits.

  Bulwer-Lytton was according to one Mahatma letter involved in a 
  pre-Blavatskian try to launch an occult group. The novels seems to be rather 
  a try to blaze the trail as they later in 1877 also did with Isis Unveiled.

  We also know that Saint Germain was at this time often in Berlin at the tea 
  hosue of king Frederick (in Potsdam, to be exactly, a suburb of Berlin).

  Frank

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