Theos-Talk Archives (January 2009 Message tt00335)

Dear John

If I may add to your discussion, The Wedding "Song" of Wisdom 
by G R S Mead is available from Kessinger, and Google Books 
has some extracts.
http://books.google.com.au/books?
id=WLkN9qzhDDwC&pg=PA8&lpg=PA8&dq=The+Wedding+Hymn+of+Wisdom+grs+mead&
source=bl&ots=5tsSxN7phs&sig=mI_q5UoQv95djz38-
IH1vSHLwwc&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result#PPA24,M1 

Is this what you are looking for?

Regards
Nigel  


--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Augoeides-222@... wrote:
>
> Raquel,
>    Laughs, it is darn hard to get her works easily, years ago they 
would fall in your lap effortlessly. Today there was a stampede to 
author books about her and quotes from her in al lthose secondary 
works. and it seemd that made them diaappear for numerous reasons.
> 
>   I have managed to gather again her works using websites that felt 
compelled to honor them.
> 
> Here they are below ( you can print some , other you can "save the 
Page"  to Desktop and print from there and/or make a DVD of them.
> 
> The Secret Adam --E.S. Drower
> 
> >>>http://www.egnu.org/~mandaean/The_Secret_Adam_Drower.pdf<<<
> 
> The Peacock Angel - E.S. Drower (a 40 page Print out) 
> 
> >>>http://www.avesta.org/yezidi/peacock.htm<<<
> 
> The Diwan  Abatur - E.S.Drower
> 
> >>>http://www.egnu.org/~mandaean/Diwan_Abatur_Drower.pdf<<<
> 
> The Book of The Zodiac - E.S.Drower
> 
> >>>http://www.egnu.org/~mandaean/Diwan_Abatur_Drower.pdf<<<
> 
> The Haran Gawaita And the Baptism of Hibil Ziwa - E.S. Drower
> 
> 
>>>http://www.egnu.org/~mandaean/The_Haran_Gawaita_and_The_Baptism_of_
Hibil_Ziwa_Drower.pdf
> 
> The Ginza Rba - E.S. Drower
> 
> >>>http://www.gnosis.org/library/ginzarba.htm<<<
> 
> John the Gnostic Baptizer - G.R.S. Mead 
> 
> >>>http://www.gnosis.org/library/grs-
mead/gnostic_john_baptist/index.htm<<<
> 
> Fragments of a Faith forgotten - G.R.S. Mead
> 
> >>>http://www.gnosis.org/library/grs-
mead/fragments_faith_forgotten/index.htm<<<
> 
> The Pistis Sophia - G. R. S. Mead
> 
> >>>http://www.gnosis.org/library/psoph.htm<<<
> 
> The Hymn to the Robe of Glory - G.R.S. Mead
> 
> >>>http://www.gnosis.org/library/grs-mead/grsm_robeofglory.htm<<<
> 
> The Hymn of Jesus - G. R. S. Mead
> 
> >>>http://www.gnosis.org/library/grs-
mead/grsm_hymnofjesus.htm#hymn<<<
> 
> The Books of IEOU
> 
> >>>http://www.gnosis.org/library/bookss.htm<<<
> 
> I am still looking for  The Wedding Hymn of Wisdom by G. R. S. 
Mead, it is and ancient Syriac Traditional Hymn filled with Symbols 
and special esoteric conveyances portrayed as the dancing beauty of 
ones heart.
> 
> Regards,
> enjoy,
> John
> 
> 
> -------------- Original message -------------- 
> From: Raquel Rodríguez <raquel_rpj@...> 
> Eureka I found it!
> http://bahaitributes.wordpress.com/2008/12/18/ethel-stefana-stevens-
1879-1972/
> and in Amazon
> http://www.amazon.com/Mandaeans-Iraq-Iran-Customs-
Folklore/dp/1931956499/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1231880785&sr=1-
3
> 
> Thank you Jonh
> 
> Regards
> 
> Raquel
> 
> 
> 
> 
> - El lun, 12/1/09, Augoeides-222@... <Augoeides-222@...> escribió:
> 
> De: Augoeides-222@... <Augoeides-222@...>
> Asunto: Re: Theos-World Bulwer-Lytton and Bunsen
> Para: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> Fecha: lunes, 12 enero, 2009 2:52
> 
> Frank,
> The Mandaeans were the ancient cult of the Nazarean and they were 
Pre-christian. The wore the "seamless white garment" and were 
anciently resident in the Marshes just north of the Shat Al Garb, 
they used the reed boats the made to travel on the water. and also 
had some reed islands they made on which they built reed habitats 
just like certain aboriginal Indian's do at Lake Titicaca in Bolivia. 
It was in the winter when ist got very cold in Iraq that they would 
travel to the Jordan and there they would Baptize in their winter 
retreat. They have a Baptism Rite that in a unique polemical style 
described the baptism of Jesus in a brash intentionally rude manner. 
On Google Earth the best guess location where the elder of the 
Mandaeans being John the Baptist baptised at the Jordan.
> 
> Jordan River - John ther Baptist
> 
> 31 50 09.95 N
> 35 32 47.51 E
> 
> In the years just preceeding the Gulf War in Iraq Saddam Hussain 
having intention to wipe these most ancient important remaining proof 
of the ancient Baptists of the B. C. centuries decided to drain the 
marshes they lived in and thereby have better access to harm them. It 
was a huge project, I held my head in dire dismay for their wellfare 
but they have managed to live on and still exist today. Their 
teaching is unique and is a most important Legacy of Mankind and must 
be preserved. 
> 
> Here is a link for Google Images Listing for "Mandaean" at instant 
glance the image will tell you much.
> 
> >>>http://images. google.com/ images?hl= en&q=Mandaean& 
btnG=Search+ Images&gbv= 2<<<
> 
> I highly recommend reading Lady Drower's Works she was a regular 
Blavatsky style Lady who had determination, perseverance, fearless 
courage, a high intellect and wonderful ability.
> 
> Regards,
> John
> 
> ------------ -- Original message ------------ -- 
> From: "Frank Reitemeyer" <dzyan@online. de> 
> John,
> thanks for info about Lady Drower of which I was not aware sofar.
> 
> Are you able to say whether Ratzinger is right or wrong when he 
claims that no gnostic text can be proofen as pre-Christian which 
woul dmake the gnostics a Christian enterprise?
> 
> Frank
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Augoeides-222@ comcast.net 
> To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com 
> Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 4:58 AM
> Subject: Re: Theos-World Bulwer-Lytton and Bunsen
> 
> Frank,
> Some time ago I posted some info about the Ancient Mandaeans who 
were the original Gnostic Baptists in the B.C. times having long 
tradition behind them. They possess the Book of Yaya (John) who was 
the Elder Nazar of their sect. One of the very best Expert Author 
about the Mandaeans is Lady Ethel Stefana Drower who, having spent 20 
some years in Iraq culturing trust and friendship with the Mandaeans 
was allowed to receive their secretly held Legacy and works
> The Book of Yaya
> The Secret Book of Adam
> The Rba Ginza
> The Rite of Baptism
> The Litergy and Hymns
> And other important transmittals she came to bring to the west an 
Published.
> She also Published a work about the Peacock Throne and the Yezidee.
> 
> Also in the B.C era the Ebionites, Nazareans, others are enumerated 
in G.R.S. Mead's "Fragments of a Faith Forgotten" and his other 
work "The Gnostic Baptizer - Selections from the Mandaean John-Book" 
1924, John M. Watkins, London. This is a very replete presentation 
and the style of mead as usual is heavy notes ans sub-notes toassist 
understanding , it is his hallmark I so much value in all his works.
> 
> A while back I posted links for Several of Mead's important works 
on the Gnostics that are free to read and download.
> 
> Here is link for Google Books search "Lady Ethel Stefana Drower"
> 
> >>>http://books. google.com/ books?q=Lady+ Ethel+Stefana+ 
Drower&btnG= Search+Books<<<
> 
> Here is the Google books listing for G.R.S. Mead's Books ( The 
Gnostic Baptizer in the 1924 Edition form and contents is not there.) 
There is one emended version offered but without the replete Table of 
Contents of the 1924 edition.
> 
> >>>http://books. google.com/ books?q=G. R.S.+Mead& lr=&sa=N& 
start=0<<<
> 
> The Rev. F. Lamplugh B. A. (Cantab.) in 1918 Published 
Gnostictranslation of the "Untitled Apocalypse" from the Bruce Codex -
 "The Gnosis of the Light" it is a complex work with a very replete 
Heirarchy of levels. And it contains the Triple Name Form of Jesus.
> 
> >>>http://books. google.com/ books?id= jSd9WwBg98QC& pg=PA3&dq= 
Rev.+F.+Lamplugh #PPA14,M1<<<
> 
> Regards,
> John
> 
> ------------ -- Original message ------------ -- 
> From: "Frank Reitemeyer" <dzyan@online. de> 
> John,
> I have the said Bunsen book (and all what he wrote) on long to-do-
list.
> Someday will go to our national archives and make digital photos of 
it.
> If I'll find new significant information Blavatsky students must 
know, I'll keep this list informed.
> 
> I like the gnostics, too. As the gnostics were the pupils of 
buddhist missionaries in Greece, who in turn inspired neo-platonism, 
they played an important role for the enlightenment o peling-pa. No 
wonder HPB chosed the greek term theosophy as she implies with this 
decision that she wanted to take it up. Considering the hear-say is 
hardly to believe that the decision for the word theosophy was just a 
chance by consulting a lexicon.
> 
> Yes, there are many things to find in gnosticism which match our 
theosophical teachings.
> In Codex II of Nag Hammadi there is to be find the Book of Thomas. 
It contains secret doctrines for the Perfected Ones.
> 
> Yet, gnosticism should also be seen in light to the important 
findings of Prof. Christian Lindtner, who gives ultimate and utter 
linguistic, geometric and phonetic proofs that the four gospels of 
the NT are a translation of Sanskrit texts of the Buddha. Lindtner 
matches HPB and GdeP on this, although they speak not so unveiled as 
Lindtner does. But once you know, you can easily see that both HPB 
and GdeP new it well.
> 
> From the point of view of a Blavatsky student who is now in danger 
to fell into depression considering the troublesome outer and 
theosophical conditions, Lindtner's research (also that of Bruno 
Baumann about Shambala-Shang Shun, etc.) is a sign of hope: The 
occult machinations have not stopped, despite the stupidness or 
organized theosophy and the Masters plan for building a new temple of 
knowledge has not abandoned and karma finds a way to make known what 
must go out. Truth needs no ostrich theosophists. But theosophist 
need truth. The usual hostility against free speech, research and 
knowledge in many theosophical circles will not stop the truth, 
although the ignorants may be happy with their habits, which 
accroding to their superstition prevents them from bad karma. No 
brain, no pain.
> 
> What I need to find out is a proof of the first existence of 
gnostic texts. Ratzinger in his stupid Jesus book claims that no 
proof extsis that gnosticism is pre-Christian.
> Perhaps you have more.
> 
> Frank
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Augoeides-222@ comcast.net 
> To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com 
> Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 9:36 AM
> Subject: Re: Theos-World Bulwer-Lytton and Bunsen
> 
> Frank,
> Thanks, I printed it out so I have a reference. The Pistis Sophia 
was only one of four parts of a tetrad of works that were sister 
parts, Another was later published in the absolutely wonderful "Nag 
Hammadhi Library" viz "The Book of the Great Invisible Spirit", Emile 
Amelineau according to G. R .S. Mead published the other on French 
but to my knowledge they have never been translated into an English 
Publishment. I feel that though these works are arcane to most 
readers the Gnostic Literature contained Non-Dual Teaching within 
it's skin as I read it, I always found a wonderful reiteration of 
Blavatskys Teaching seen within the corpus.
> 
> The "Unity" of Religion's has basis in my personal viewpoint due to 
that fact that all the "Senior Principles" found used as basis for 
Metaphysic Reflection constitute " Perrenial Projections of Primary 
Axiomatic Reality" that man cannot overturn, deflect, or stop from 
presenting through the ages of time. Comparative study reiterates in 
various cultures.
> 
> Regards,
> John
> 
> ---------- Original message ------------ -- 
> From: "Frank Reitemeyer" <dzyan@online. de> 
> 
> John,
> for the record:
> 
> Bunsen, Ernst von : Die Einheit der Religionen im Zusammenhange mit 
den Voelkerwanderungen der Urzeit und der Geheimlehre, Berlin 1870, 2 
vols.
> (The Unity of the Religions in connection with the migrations of 
the peoples in ancient times and the secret doctrine).
> 
> And me thought that theosophy has a better standing in USA as in 
Germany. Here the situation with acedemics and other eggheads is very 
exasperating.
> They have always the talent to come to wrong, shortsighted 
conclusions in 9 out of 10 cases! 
> 
> I think when I would have such people around me the whole day, I 
would soon suffer a heart attack.
> 
> But to be fair, I observe a little increase in academic interest on 
theosophy. More and more student's home works on it and thanks to the 
many American online texts (i guess) they are gettting more and more 
small about the Coloumb conspiracy and the fraud cryings are silenced 
in the lastest academic publications, the withdrawal of the SPR is 
mentioned.
> 
> Frank
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Augoeides-222@ comcast.net 
> To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com 
> Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 6:41 PM
> Subject: Re: Theos-World Bulwer-Lytton and Bunsen
> 
> Frank,
> Interesting comments. Bunsen is referenced by G. R. S. Mead in his 
works but trying to find his works here in the USA isn't very 
productive. Now perhaps you give a reason why. The bias about any 
Academic who had contacts with HPB That made them radioactive.
> 
> Regards,
> John
> 
> ------------ -- Original message ------------ -- 
> From: "Frank Reitemeyer" <dzyan@online. de> 
> Paul,
> thank you for that important information on Bunsen.
> Image, although since many years I try to absorb all lost 
information esp. 
> to theosophical history in Germany (which was more important in 
quantity and 
> quality than many believe), I came across the Bunsen 1870 Berlin 
book on the 
> secret doctrine only recently.
> 
> IF Bunsen had direct connentions with Blavatsky then he could be 
the reason 
> for her Berlin visit around 1860 (I am writing from memory).
> That would explain why she mentions Bunsen and other titles from 
him, but 
> not this important book.
> 
> It seems to have been HPB's custom to paraphrase from important 
occult 
> books, but not to give the exactly source.
> 
> For example she gives the higher mahayana teachings and speaks of 
the 
> doctrines of the good law, but she does not explicitly say that she 
means 
> the Lotus Sutra.
> Or she helds Nostradamus in high regards, but deals next to nothing 
with 
> this important person, at least in her public books.
> 
> Perhaps a situation for Blavatsky students (including myself) to 
think over 
> the Coleman critic on HPB's quotation habits.
> 
> Bulwer-Lytton was according to one Mahatma letter involved in a 
> pre-Blavatskian try to launch an occult group. The novels seems to 
be rather 
> a try to blaze the trail as they later in 1877 also did with Isis 
Unveiled.
> 
> We also know that Saint Germain was at this time often in Berlin at 
the tea 
> hosue of king Frederick (in Potsdam, to be exactly, a suburb of 
Berlin).
> 
> Frank
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