Theos-Talk Archives (January 2009 Message tt00254)

Well said, Cass.

Ironically, the Jesuits will see it just the other way round as I have learned from on of their publications.
In it a Jesuit priest declared that the Buddha must not be trusted as he rouses doubt when he teaches his pupils to question him, but Jesus can be trusted by everyone, because he said: I am the way, the truth and the life (I hope, my translation fits).

Here you have the same manipulation technique we also know from Leadbeater dogmatists, who want not accept Leadbeater as only one among other interprets of Blavatsky.
They claim that being in the 4th and 5th subrace at the same time is no contradiction. Also that Mars and Mercury belong to the Earth chain i sno problem for them. Only some years ago John Algeo claimed in an article, which was also published in the German section magazine (with the creative and surprizing title "Adyar"), that accroding to the Mars and Mercury quarrel Leadbeater was a true servant of the Masters teachings, while Blavatsky blamed them with her misunderstandings.

So much for Jesuitism inside and outside.
Frank

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Cass Silva 
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 2:10 AM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: TS Adyar's policy or non-policy?


IMO Politics is simply noise - it changes nothing - it exists in ideologies - it has no moral value whatsoever - why should HPB spend her time involved in something that will never change men's thinking nor give an understanding to real truths - to get involved in one's own or another man's politics is to draw unwanted karma to oneself - politics which always lead to war - is as KM says a totalitarian projection of individual inner conflict and if one is conflicted it seems highly unlikely that one will have any space for spiritual or moral evolution.  Politics and intellectualism is patented by the Lower Ego to keep attention on itself.

If the Buddha tells us to question anything and everything that is said - even by him - then HPB is certainly not the exception to the rule - nor I believe would she have it any other way.  Blind adherence to any teaching is self programming, imo.

Cass

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From: Joseph P. Fulton <jpfulton314@cox.net>
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, 10 January, 2009 11:33:38 AM
Subject: Theos-World Re: TS Adyar's policy or non-policy?

--- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, "Frank Reitemeyer" <dzyan@...> wrote:

I have a question regarding this first paragraph, it sounds like you
are speaking that the desire for independence was metaphorical. 
However, in the Mahatma Letters, there are numerous instances of some
very non-metaphorical statements regarding the British. In perusing
Letter #81 of the ML, there seems to be nothing metaphorical about
what KH is asking Sinnett to do. Is that a metaphor for what? That
looks very much like political operative work. So with evidence of
political work in writing I would ask "so what?" What makes political
work wrong or undesirable?

Regarding the tentative nature of Johnson's statements. That's what I
would expect when someone is suggesting an alternate theory. To state
something as an absolute truth when it may or may not be is unwise. 
Wouldn't you agree? Or is HPB and her teachers to be worshipped as
some kind of tin goddess? The 1900 Letter to Besant is very clear on
that view.

Thanks for your patience.

Joe

> >Honestly, and depending on how you look at it, HPB's mission was very
> political, especially in regards to Indian Independence. From the
> viewpoint of Paul Johnson's book "The Masters Revealed", HPB's mission
> in India, and the identity of the Mahatmas, themselves was political
> in the extreme.
> 
> Joe, HPB has had no political agenda except that each nation is kept
free 
> from foreign rule (Marxism) and is allowed to develop its svabhava
to be 
> part of a spiritual republic of free nations. By freedom is meant the 
> freedom of the higher self rather than of the lower self. Therefore she 
> supported as a private person the nationalist clubs in India and USA
(not as 
> TS).
> 
> PJ's theory is possible from outside interpretations in connection
with much 
> phantasy. But he fails to proofs his theory and sticks on words like
"could 
> be", "should be", "possibly".
> With the same logic you can also claim that Jesus Christ has had a
political 
> agenda, or the Gautama Buddha, while in reality the messengers of
the white 
> lodge in dealing with political persons have always universal karma
in mind 
> and not one person, one party or one nation only.
> 
> I would like to see the alleged spy letter of Blavatsky. As yet no
faksimile 
> appeared for examination. Is no researcher able to get it from the
Moscow 
> archives?
> 
> Frank
>

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