Theos-Talk Archives (January 2009 Message tt00113)

Dear friends and John


Mt views are:

John wrote:
" I have the view that Adyar and many other Lodges have cognizance of what conforms to the bulk of their sales. Adyar or other Lodges cannot enforce or suppress what is wanted and
needed and desired of the Public walk-ins. It is not a case of a determined desire to sell rubbish, it is a case of "what works" based upon empirical observation."


I will have to say I disagree with such a view.
I find this view of paint of Adyar not in accordance with H. P. Blavatsky's.

They cannot choose both mammon and Parabrahm. Certainly not.

And what the book-seller experience is selling the best is what people themselves think THEY "need". I call that what they WANT and DESIRES. What they spiritually need is something else. They spiritually NEED to understand to distinguish  between true theosophical teachings and the rest. The book-sellers appears to belong to the rest, and not to theosophy or Blavatskyan-theosophy, rather CWL-theosophy or Christian-related theosophy with Messiah in the flesh, and sexual obscurity etc. etc.

But that is just my view.



M. Sufilight


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Augoeides-222@comcast.net 
  To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 7:22 PM
  Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: TS Adyar's policy or non-policy?


  Morten,
  You miss my point, you may consider that Lodges or organizations in general even non-theosophical groups do carefully track what sells best in the book store. They may even have conducted pointed surveys with a following analysis of the carefullly gathered conducted results. The results are an unbiased findings of what "Turns On" the Public and what is "desired" and "needed". For instance in the "youth group" so often mentioned here. It will also indicate what is least desired and wanted and has little "Reach" to purchase. This is well emplimented Business acumen that is used widely as a "means " and a proven success formula. One can determine which type of authored work is "Reached" for, the "Reach" means at what point will they enter an establishment of any kind to purchase a product such as a book. I have the view that Adyar and many other Lodges have cognizance of what conforms to the bulk of their sales. Adyar or other Lodges cannot enforce or suppress what is wanted and
  needed and desired of the Public walk-ins. It is not a case of a determined desire to sell rubbish, it is a case of "what works" based upon empirical observation. As the constituent make-up of individual Economy is quite variable, there are accordingly in the case of the lower elements of personal economy different differentiations of preferences, particularly to the state of the individual in a given moment of time that determines what is likely to be compatible to each person cup of tea and what type of book they will reach for. 

  The income through lodge Book Stores can be a substantial rewarding contribution that is needed in order to support the other important Lodge Purpose Lines and Goals. To excise what you would remove would shut off any exposure to many young people who have their heads in other places. Stasis is not a permanent condition, peoples interest change across time to inspect new areas and leave others behind. Homogeneity is not found as a characteristic of mankind as a whole, from my view, and it seems to be closer to "ideal" than to have suppressive enforcement by versions of mind control to prevent expoisure. The being delights in unlimited ability of differentiations without, it seems restrictions on what pokes it's head up lol! Amazon Books is a solid success and they follow Survey and Targeting Analysis with a vengeance.

  Regards,
  John

  ------------ Original message -------------- 
  From: "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-theosophy@stofanet.dk> 

  I disaree.
  You aught not to sell rubbish.

  M. Sufilight

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Augoeides-222@comcast.net 
  To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 1:35 AM
  Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: TS Adyar's policy or non-policy?

  Morten,
  Well if ones sells a book that people actual desire and want to have and at a price that equeals the "Reach Zone" it beats having to go door-to-door with a tin cup begging for donations to the Lodge.

  Regards,
  John 

  -------------- Original message -------------- 
  From: "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-theosophy@stofanet.dk> 

  Yes.
  But that does not explain the appearnt NEED by various TS Lodges to sell the books by C. W. Leadbeater, does it?

  I do not believe H. P. Blavatsky ever agreed upon selling books by Beverly Randolph or by the Spiritists?

  M. Sufilight

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: MKR 
  To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 9:27 PM
  Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: TS Adyar's policy or non-policy?

  Here is another angle.

  In today's Internet age, most of us buy our books on-line from sources such
  as Amazon.com or e-bay. Also when the current digitation efforts progress,
  most of the out of copyright as well as copyright material would be
  available for free download or download purchase for a nominal price.

  So, soon the issue of any lodge or center or any bookshop carrying a book
  will become moot.

  mkr

  On 1/5/09, Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@stofanet.dk> wrote:
  >
  > Dear friends and Zaitzev
  >
  > My views are:
  >
  > So when not selling Alice A. Bailey books, within TS, why sell C. W.
  > Leadbeater books?
  >
  > M. Sufilight
  >
  > ----- Original Message -----
  > From: Konstantin Zaitzev
  > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com>
  > Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 7:22 PM
  > Subject: Theos-World Re: TS Adyar's policy or non-policy?
  >
  > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com>, "Morten
  > Nymann Olesen"
  > <global-theosophy@...> wrote:
  >
  > > The questions are: Why emphasize the New Testament, while throwing
  > > the Quran or the Zohar and similar at the stake? Indeed, why such
  > > an emphasis by Alice A. Bailey?
  >
  > Who personally in the T.S. emphasizes her?
  > As for Zohar...
  > "there must also be one truth which finds expression in all the
  > various religions-except in the Jewish, as you do not find it
  > expressed even in the Cabala". (Key to theosophy)
  > As for Islam, there are too few muslims who would agree to listen the
  > theosophical interpretation of Islam. Christians of the last century
  > were more open-minded, so the christianized theosophy of Bailey did
  > target them. It's not for those who are already theosophists.
  >
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