Theos-Talk Archives (January 2009 Message tt00111)

Yes, i was just reading Vic Martens review of Anders Nygren before you replied. In it he says,


"Properly speaking, only God can love in a purely "agape" sense, as only He is able to give of Himself without need for gain."
I can only assume that agape is somehow the true expresion of Divine Love, for it is fear-free and self-interest-free (that only appears when there is fear anyway).

Eros would then be human-love, which is not free of fear and self-interest, even in a "platonic" way, as was conveyed by Plato in his Symposium.

If Jesus was soul, just like us, on the path of spiritual evolution, perhaps his incarnation as Jesus, and the challenges he overcame, was precisely what he needed to overcome  what keeps us, and what kept him from achieving that agape state of unconditional love.

I believe that Agape has nothing to do with fear whatsover.

And as someone has said to me already, one who becomes fearless, becomes fear itself (to others). The two-faced coin of chesed/gevurah.
Brown

--- On Tue, 1/6/09, Augoeides-222@comcast.net <Augoeides-222@comcast.net> wrote:
From: Augoeides-222@comcast.net <Augoeides-222@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: TS Adyar's policy or non-policy?
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 5:28 PM

Rose,
   Well here is one reference on Agape' and Eros.

"Agape and Eros" by Anders Nygren - Bishop of Lund, Translated by
Phillip S. Watson, Harper Torch Books - Harper and Row, 1969, 764 P.

Regards,
John

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From: Brown Rose <splendorousbrown@yahoo.com> 
I can´t say much about agape or eros, for it is unclear to me its real
meaning, only that perhaps eros is what drives us to seek perfection and justice
for all (passion and its might) while agape is perhaps an all swallowing love
for eveything that it is even capable of embracing and accepting the greatest
evil done unto itself by others, just like when Christ embraced His fate with
total confidence in Divine Love, an agape that can´t or doesn´t have anything
to do with fear of any kind, thus making it boundless and without restrictions.
Brown

Augoeides-222@comcast.net> wrote:

From: Augoeides-222@comcast.net <Augoeides-222@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: TS Adyar's policy or non-policy?
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, January 5, 2009, 3:13 AM

Rose,
Romans 12:2 was a nice one that I always loved especially after I knew about
Patanjali:

"And be not conformed to this world

but be ye transformed

by the renewing of your mind

that ye may prove

what is that good

and acceptable

and perfect

will

of god."

One thing that Madame Blavatsky made little mention of is the doctrine of
"Agape'" even though she makes quite a bit of mention of the Eros
doctrine.

Paul in his discourse said we are all "servants" of the lord but in
the Greek the word used means "Slave(s)"

Slaves are in conformance to the doctrine of Agape because they posit
themselves without reservation or consideration to be the living vehicles for
the expression of the will and actions of diety and by doing so enter a state
that is alleged to be requisite to have awareness of that will.

Regards,
John (just muddying the waters a little)

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From: Brown Rose <splendorousbrown@ yahoo.com> 
--- On Sat, 1/3/09, Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@ stofanet. dk>
wrote:
So I take it, that Radha Burnier in secret are promoting the New World Order,
the Externalization of the Hierarchy within UN, the Great Invocation, and the
return of the Christ - and - similar in accordance with the Alice A. Bailey
groups main focus?

*** The Jews are also preparing themselves for a New World Order, and that is
as bad as any other. 
The New World Order has to be conquered individually and internally, it will
never be accomplished the way people have been trying to, through
institutionalisatio n.
"The letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life." 2 Corinthians 3:6
Brown

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