Theos-Talk Archives (December 2008 Message tt00129)

Allright.
Then I ask: Why consider the teachings of J. Krishnamurti AND not instead and much more the teachings og H. P. Blavatsky?


M. Sufilight

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: MKR 
  To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 8:19 PM
  Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Why Adyar was chosen


  I agree.
  We dont have to believe anything.
  It is upto the individual to decide what to believe or not.

  mkr

  On 12/8/08, Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@stofanet.dk> wrote:
  >
  > "His speeches and videos and books are very
  > widely read by a large number of people and his key message is
  > transformation of the individual."
  >
  > A lot of persons still read the Christian Bible, but that is no reason why
  > we should believe it.
  >
  > M. Sufilight
  >
  > ----- Original Message -----
  > From: MKR
  > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com>
  > Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 2:53 PM
  > Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Why Adyar was chosen
  >
  > In the recent past, Madras now called Chennai, has become a key business
  > hub
  > in India. Major International corporations have operations there and the
  > facilities that are available in the city is comparable to any major city
  > in
  > the world. Airline access to the city is unsurpassed. People who visit
  > Adyar, do not go there looking for five-star facilities; they are there for
  > something that is different. Anyone who has read the early history of TS,
  > is
  > sure to have a sense for what went on in the early days.
  > No one who was a participant in helping the purchase of Adyar could have
  > foreseen the growth of Madras/Chennai of today. Looking at Adyar simply as
  > an administrative locale is to miss the real importance of the place.
  > Anyone
  > who wants to get a first hand feel, should take the trouble to travel to
  > Adyar and see for themselves and can make up their own mind.
  >
  > Let us also remember the fact that it was Adyar beaches that Jiddu
  > Krishnamuri was discovered. His speeches and videos and books are very
  > widely read by a large number of people and his key message is
  > transformation of the individual.
  >
  > mkr
  >
  > On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 5:53 AM, christinaleestemaker <
  > christinaleestemaker@yahoo.com <christinaleestemaker%40yahoo.com>> wrote:
  >
  > > That is well said!!!
  > > Spiritual regeneration, all over this world from the heart and head
  > > of Adyar.
  > > Christina
  > >
  > > -- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com><theos-talk%
  > 40yahoogroups.com>, "Pedro
  > > Oliveira" <prmoliveira@...>
  > > wrote:
  > > >
  > > > [Below is the text of an article written by me and published in The
  > > > Theosophist, May 2004]
  > > >
  > > >
  > > > Why Adyar Was Chosen
  > > >
  > > > The Founders of the Theosophical Society did not have a personal
  > > > agenda. Their critics kept (and still keep) saying that they were
  > > > either spies, cultural saboteurs, frauds and even agents of the
  > > > devil! But the lives of Col. Olcott and Madame Blavatsky, their
  > > > legacy and the uplifting influence they had on many who met them,
  > > > speak for themselves.
  > > >
  > > > Although the TS was founded in New York in 1875, HSO and HPB sailed
  > > > to India on 17 December 1878, arriving in Bombay on 16 February
  > > > 1879, where they eventually established their headquarters at
  > > `Crows
  > > > Nest', in Breach Candy. Neither Olcott nor Blavatsky made a secret
  > > > of being both dedicated to serve those great souls who are referred
  > > > to as Mahatmas in the East. There is ample independent evidence
  > > from
  > > > that time that at least two Mahatmas occasionally visited and had
  > > > conversations with both of the Founders during their life of work
  > > > for the Society. Sometimes such visits would come at crucial
  > > > moments, either when HPB was at death's door or when the pressure
  > > on
  > > > Col. Olcott was at breaking point. In such visits the Mahatmas
  > > > offered healing, guidance and reassurance to the Founders about
  > > > their work for the TS, without taking upon themselves the heavy
  > > > responsibilities the Founders had voluntarily accepted to undertake.
  > > >
  > > > Writing in The Theosophist, July1882, in an editorial comment
  > > > entitled "Coming Events Foretold", which preceded a statement by a
  > > > chela of Ramalinga Pillay who, much before the Founders had arrived
  > > > in India, had preached the principle of Universal Brotherhood and
  > > > the existence of the Mahatmas, HPB remarked:
  > > >
  > > > "When, in answer to a direct challenge, the author of The Occult
  > > > World wrote to the Bombay Gazette (April 4, 1882), he began his
  > > > letter with the following profession of faith: "I was already sure,
  > > > when I wrote The Occult World, that the Theosophical Society was
  > > > connected, through Madame Blavatsky, with the great Brotherhood of
  > > > Adepts I described. I now know this to be the case, which much
  > > > greater amplitude of knowledge." Little did our loyal friend fancy,
  > > > when he was penning these lines, that his assertion would one day
  > > be
  > > > capable of corroboration by the testimony of thousands. But such is
  > > > now the state of the case. Skeptics and prejudiced or interested
  > > > witnesses in general may scoff as they like, the fact cannot be
  > > > gainsaid. ...
  > > >
  > > > While at Madras [May,1882], we were told that a well-known Tamil
  > > > scholar, a Pandit in the Presidency College, desired to have a
  > > > private conversation with us. The interview occurred in the
  > > presence
  > > > of Mr Singaravelu, President of the Krishna Theosophical Society,
  > > > and another trustworthy Theosophist, Mr C. Aravamudu Ayangar, a
  > > > Sanskritist, of Nellore. We are no more at liberty to repeat here
  > > > all the questions put to us by the interviewer than we are to
  > > > divulge certain other facts, which would still more strongly
  > > > corroborate our repeated assertions that (1) our Society was
  > > founded
  > > > at the direct suggestion of Indian and Tibetan Adepts; and (2) that
  > > > in coming to this country we but obeyed their wishes. But we shall
  > > > leave our friends to draw their own inferences from all the
  > > facts."
  > > >
  > > > Although the Society quickly expanded with the arrival of the
  > > > Founders in India, they were searching for a suitable Headquarters.
  > > > In Old Diary Leaves (Second Series), Col. Olcott explains:
  > > >
  > > > "In my travels over India and Ceylon I had been observing places,
  > > > people, and climates, with a view to selecting the best place for a
  > > > permanent Headquarters for the Society. Liberal offers of houses,
  > > > free of rent, had been made us in Ceylon, and, certainly, the
  > > Island
  > > > presented a most charming appearance to one seeking an Asian home;
  > > > but several considerations, such as its isolation from India, the
  > > > cost of postage ... overweighted its loveliness and led us to
  > > choose
  > > > India in preference. Up to the present time, however, no good
  > > > property had been offered us, and we had made no definite plans. On
  > > > 31st May [1882], however, we two were begged by Judge Muttuswamy's
  > > > sons to go and look at a property that was to be had cheap. We were
  > > > driven to Adyar, and at the first glance knew that our future home
  > > > was found.
  > > >
  > > > People glibly speak of Madras as "the Benighted Presidency" and as
  > > > being insufferably hot. The fact is, however, that as regards
  > > > climate I prefer it above the others, and as to Sanskrit Literature
  > > > and Aryan Philosophy, it is the most enlightened of the Indian
  > > > Presidencies; there are more learned Pandits in the villages, and
  > > > the educated class, as a whole, have been less spoilt by Western
  > > > education. In Bengal and Bombay there are more litterateurs of the
  > > > class of Telang and Bhandarkar, but I cannot recall one equal to T.
  > > > Subba Row, of Madras, in bright genius for grasping the spirit of
  > > > the Ancient Wisdom. And his being at Madras was one of the causes
  > > of
  > > > our fixing upon that Presidency town for our official residence.
  > > > Although he is dead and gone, yet we have never regretted our
  > > > choice, for Adyar is a sort of paradise."
  > > >
  > > > To fully appreciate Col. Olcott's reference to Subba Row it may be
  > > > helpful to mention the following passages from The Mahatma Letters
  > > > to A. P. Sinnett:
  > > >
  > > > "This Subba Row will help you [Sinnett] to learn, though his terms
  > > â
  > > > he being an initiated Brahmin and holding to the Brahmanical
  > > > esoteric teaching â will be different from those of the "Arhat
  > > > Buddhist" terminology". (Letter 60, chronological.)
  > > >
  > > > "Upasika (Madam B.) and Subba Row, though pupils of the same
  > > Master,
  > > > have not followed the same philosophy â the one is Buddhist and the
  > > > other an Adwaitee." (Letter 120, chronological.)
  > > >
  > > > The presence of this initiated Chela in Madras was therefore of
  > > > paramount importance in the Founders' decision to establish the TS
  > > > Headquarters there. And it also made clear the character of Adyar
  > > as
  > > > a centre for the Masters' work.
  > > >
  > > > HPB, in a letter to her aunt Nadyezhda A. de Fadeyev (published in
  > > > The Path, September 1895), described the beautiful quiet that is
  > > one
  > > > of the enduring aspects of Adyar as a spiritual centre:
  > > >
  > > > "It is simply delightful. What air we have here; what nights! And
  > > > what marvellous quiet! No more city noises and street yells. I am
  > > > sitting quietly writing, and now and then gaze over the ocean
  > > > sparkling all over as if a living thing â really. I am often under
  > > > the impression that the sea breathes, or that it is angry, roaring
  > > > and hurling itself about in wrath... But when it is quiet and
  > > > caressing, there can be nothing in the world as fascinating as its
  > > > beauty, especially on a moonlight night. The moon here against the
  > > > deep dark-blue sky seems twice as big and ten times brighter than
  > > > your European little mother-of-pearl ball."
  > > >
  > > > Such were the momentous beginnings of Adyar as the home of the
  > > > Theosophical Society. It was not only the home of the Founders; it
  > > > was and it remains the heart of the worldwide theosophical work
  > > > which was spearheaded by them. During Annie Besant's presidency the
  > > > state was expanded into the beautiful campus it is today. Many
  > > > generations of devoted workers have served there and their
  > > > dedication, devotion and profound altruistic commitment to
  > > Theosophy
  > > > has definitely contributed in making Adyar the `Flaming Centre' it
  > > > is.
  > > >
  > > > The beauty of Adyar is indeed incomparable and it exerts a profound
  > > > influence on the consciousness of those who visit or stay there,
  > > > sometimes even of those who just visit for a very short while.
  > > While
  > > > working there the writer had the occasion of meeting rather briefly
  > > > an overseas businessman on a short visit to Madras. He came to
  > > Adyar
  > > > and his experience there led him to say: "It is a pity I that I
  > > have
  > > > to go away so soon. This is a remarkable place. There is something
  > > > sacred here." This was, of course, the experience of many, many
  > > > others. Perhaps it is not difficult to understand that 121 years of
  > > > continuous theosophical work for the spiritual regeneration of
  > > > humanity have created at Adyar a very special and profound
  > > > atmosphere. Annie Besant expressed this realization beautifully
  > > when
  > > > she wrote: "Work for Adyar, the Masters' Home". In this way Adyar
  > > is
  > > > the very heart of the Theosophical Society, radiating those
  > > powerful
  > > > and uplifting influences to every theosophical centre in the world
  > > > as well as to the entire planet.
  > > >
  > > > Therefore those who, from time to time, say or imply that the
  > > > International Headquarters of the TS should be elsewhere do not
  > > > have, obviously, an informed opinion about the subject. Sometimes
  > > > one of the reasons given for such a change is the perceived lack of
  > > > security and efficiency in India. Let us examine this point. The
  > > > attacks on New York on 11 September 2001 have made clear that
  > > > absolute security is a myth, for if terrorists could strike at the
  > > > heart of the nation with the mightiest military power on earth, as
  > > > they did, they could do so anywhere else in the world. Also, the
  > > > Theosophical Society is not a business corporation seeking to
  > > > dominate any given market. It is not, and it has never been, guided
  > > > by worldly values or sagacity. The peace, quiet, harmony and
  > > > indescribable beauty of Adyar are, in themselves, an enormous
  > > > contribution to the world, for through them the Great Ones pour out
  > > > constantly their regenerating blessings. As for efficiency, the
  > > > example at Adyar is given by our International President herself,
  > > > for she works seven days a week, travels incessantly to visit and
  > > > speak to centres of the TS worldwide, deals with an inhumane amount
  > > > of correspondence and is responsible for the overall activities at
  > > > that Centre. Also, Adyar has kept apace with the new technologies
  > > > and all the major offices are provided with electronic
  > > > communications, the Centre has an informative web site and the
  > > > Theosophical Publishing House has an online catalogue and its books
  > > > are in constant demand.
  > > >
  > > > For the individual member who has the unique privilege of working
  > > > and serving at Adyar, there is a very special opportunity. Unlike
  > > > many in the world today believe, a real spiritual centre is not
  > > > meant for people to have `a good time', receive `messages from
  > > > gurus', develop `powers', nor any of the like. The power of a true
  > > > spiritual centre, when one is sincere, helps to accelerate in the
  > > > individual the process of self-confrontation, bringing to the
  > > > surface of the conscious mind every hitherto hidden content,
  > > > tendencies, deceptions and vices, as well as spiritual aspiration,
  > > > goodness and any other moral quality which were laying dormant
  > > > within him or her. This results in a very efficient and lasting
  > > > educational process, helping the person to lay strong foundations
  > > on
  > > > the path of self-knowledge, for unless one is self-aware one cannot
  > > > really help the forces of wisdom and compassion in their work to
  > > > liberate human consciousness from the illusion of separateness.
  > > >
  > > > It is a very great privilege and honour to have Adyar has the head
  > > > and the heart of the Theosophical Society. And the fact that many,
  > > > many members, all over the world, remember Adyar and support it in
  > > > every way they can is an eloquent testimony of Adyar's living and
  > > > strong spiritual heritage. May Adyar grow always stronger and may
  > > > those TS members who are ready offer themselves to go there and
  > > > devote the best years of their lives to what Adyar stands for: the
  > > > spiritual regeneration of humanity.
  > > >
  > >
  > >
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