Re: Theos-World Re: "Respect" in Internet Discussions
Nov 19, 2008 08:51 AM
by Martin
Christina,
Ask I do you, the Force international it is.
Skywalkers yes we are, and free Theosophical Society become must from evil Dugpa's.
May be The Force with Us,
Yoda;
Martin
--- On Wed, 11/19/08, christinaleestemaker <christinaleestemaker@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: christinaleestemaker <christinaleestemaker@yahoo.com>
Subject: Theos-World Re: "Respect" in Internet Discussions
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, November 19, 2008, 5:15 PM
Katinka, one thing I ask you, Why cannot you keep living your own
group in Dutch language.
Most of the time the members there are, give not any respond.Why are
they members????
And why you keep this group living, for it is a dead item.
Only two people give answer to each other and only one or two times,
after not any message again.I should stop this group for it is not
working.They are all in coma!!!
Christina
-- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, "Katinka Hesselink" <mail@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi MKR,
>
> I'll be responding in between.
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, MKR <mkr777@> wrote:
> >
> > From time to time, you will find mention is made about the issue
of
> respect
> > in messages posted in Internet. It is an interesting topic and I
> would like
> > to talk about it.
> >
> > First of all, Internet (especially the
> unmoderated/ uncontrolled/ uncensored)
> > independent forums such as this, is the most level field. Many of
us
> have
> > been posting messages for several years and none of us have
> complained about
> > lack of respect in the messages.
>
> Well, that's because complaining does not help. One of the reasons I
> have not been all that active here is precisely because some people
> just can't seem to help flooding the forum with infinitely repeated
> arguments...
>
> > This is because, you cannot command or demand respect from
independent
> > participants. You earn it by your actions both here as well as
> outside (if
> > outside actions are relevant and we come to know of them.) Some
who are
> > are/were occupying positions of power of one kind or another, end
up
> living
> > in a psychological cocoon and it is very difficult to get out of
it
> in real
> > world where we are all equals because no one can exert any kind
of power
> > over others.
>
> That is true. It is indeed an issue for anybody in power that they
get
> isolated from people who disagree with them. It's one of the
> guru-traps: only meeting people who admire you and agree with you.
>
> > There was an incident in one of Krishnamurti' s group meetings. He
> went round
> > and inquired each one present as to what they are. One said he is
a
> doctor,
> > another a teacher, third an accountant, fourth a homemaker, fifth
> chef and
> > so on. When everyone has responded, K said all of them are wrong.
> Everyone
> > is human being first and foremost.
>
> Great anecdote, but he was baiting them. The usual answer to that
> question is to name your occupation, if you have one.
>
> > He said the doctor is a doctor when he is treating a patient. An
> accountant
> > is one when he is in his office and doing his accounting work and
so
> on. We
> > tend to bring our profession and other personal accomplishments
into
> picture
> > and they are irrelevant except when you are engaged in the
specific
> > professional act. When we meet and interact with each other as
> friends, we
> > are all human beings and keeping that in mind makes interaction
and
> > communication easy.
> >
> > So when we consider the question of respect, we need to be aware
and not
> > expect respect in our message exchanges because of one's position
> (past or
> > present), one's accomplishments in other fields etc. When this is
> done, real
> > communication is possible and the whole focus on "respect" fades
> away and
> > one would not complain about lack of respect.
>
> I don't mind about respect. But I do mind when people attack people
> without thinking things through. Or when they repeat arguments
they've
> already made & keep pounding on their favorite hobby horse.
>
> Katinka
>
> http://www.allconsi dering.com/
> http://www.katinkah esselink. net/
>
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