Theos-Talk Archives (November 2008 Message tt00345)

I keep saying that the only Theosophical Movement that exists now is what  
occurs when they serve prunes at Krotona.
 
Chuck the Heretic
 
 
In a message dated 11/16/2008 5:39:42 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
jpfulton314@cox.net writes:

 
 
 
I haven't posted here for a while, but what comes to mind Anand, is 
the  whole idea of having creeds. My primary influence in Theosophy 
comes from  reading the first six years of the Theosophist magazine. 
The one thing so  amazing about the Theosophist was how involved it was 
in asking questions,  and the discussion those questions fomented. It 
reminds me very much of  the site www.edge.org insofar as it 
represented the cutting edge of  thought for the day. 

Right now, I hate to say this boys and girls, but  as a movement we're 
hardly relevant to anything. It's really sad because  our culture is 
about to really go through some bad stuff with technology  (like 3rd & 
4th RR stuff...self-4th RR stuff...self-<WBR>destruction and th
Theosophists are the best positioned to ask the right questions  and 
help steer the thought into something that may not be so destructive.  

But its ok, keep arguing about stuff that nobody cares about, and  
while you're doing that make sure to play the song "One Tin Soldier",  
by Coven.

Therefore, it seems that the Theosophical movement would  do best to 
ask questions, concentrate more on promoting the study of  comparative 
religion, philosophy and science, and the investigation of the  
"unexplained laws" of nature. The whole "Masters" thing is little 
more  than a distraction to our work as a public movement, and the 
advice given  to Besant in 1908 by KH seems to be as appropriate as 
ever. This is, after  all, a movement of ideas!

Joe

--- In _theos-talk@yahoogrotheos-t_ (mailto:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com) ,  
"Anand" <AnandGholap@Ana> wrote:
>
> 
> --- In _theos-talk@yahoogrotheos-t_ (mailto:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com) ,  
"Anton Rozman" <anton_rozman@>
> wrote:
> >
>  > Dear Anand,
> > 
> > As I find the topic in discussion  crucial for the understanding of 
> > the role of the Theosophical  Society I would like to express some 
> > personal views. 
>  > 
> > In what sense was the Theosophical Society meant to be  vehicle for 
> > the spiritual movement? Can "spiritual movement"  express itself 
> > through an organization which is an artificial  form of association 
of 
> > different individuals and not by  itself a body capable to express 
> > some "spiritual truth"? Can not  spiritual truths, ideas, express 
> > themselves only through  individuals? If this is the case, and it 
> > certainly is, then  these expressions are necessarily different as 
> > individuals are  different. The organization can promote some 
> > uniform "spiritual  truth" only when its individual members decide 
to 
> > give up to  their individual expressions and subdue themselves, for 
> > whatever  reason, to some other individual expression of "spiritual 
> > truth"  or "teaching" transforming it into dogma. 
> 
> Theosophical  Society may be proud of not having any creed. And it 
may
> also  become proud of not having distinctions based on caste, creed,
> sex  etc.
> But then why should we meet in Theosophical lodge? 
>  Person can go to any club to pass time. Or he can join a library  
where
> there will be many books on different religions. He can  borrow those
> books and study, or he can join some Theology course.  
> So, despite fantastic idea of not having creed, I feel that members  
of
> TS come to TS to study Theosophy, which is composed of writings  of
> main Theosophists. For these students writings of these  favorite
> Theosophists is creed. You can see students of Blavatsky  believing 
in
> writings of Blavatsky like creed. And some others  believing in
> writings of Besant and Leadbeater like creed. So I think  despite
> official statements of no creed, there do exist some creeds in  TS. 
And
> if people are not interested in those creeds, i.e.  writings of
> favorite Theosophists, they will not come to TS. 
>  That means even if TS has not declared officially any creed, there  
are
> 3-4 unofficial creeds in existence. And if even these  unofficial
> creeds are removed, then there does not remain any reason  for people
> to come to the Theosophical Society.
> My problem is  related to this issue. I want to spread creed of 
Besant
> and  Leadbeater. Because Blavatsky and Krishnamurti were connected to
> the  TS, when I spread creed of Leadbeater, I indirectly give impulse
> to  other creeds of Blavatsky and Krishnamurti. Now, I don't agree  
with
> writings of Blavatsky and Krishnamurti and I don't want to  be
> responsible for spreading creeds of Blavatsky and Krishnamurti.  How
> can I do that? One solution I found is to reject Krishnamurti  by
> expressly writing in my article. I think I should show mistakes  of
> Blavatsky and reject that teaching expressly. 
> This message  gives some idea of how unofficial creeds exist in TS 
and
> their  dynamics.
> 
> Best
> Anand Gholap
>


 

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