Theos-Talk Archives (November 2008 Message tt00340)

We were the first in History to broadcast a naked woman on television.
We were the first in History to be an example of Patience with other humans.
We were the first...please fill me in Christina...to combine Red with Yelow (Orange) to be our National Pride...lol
But my city of Amsterdam is a differnet story...we carry 3 crosses of Andrew, which means: Determinated, Courageous and Mercifull. It was given an emperors crown when the emperor of Austria was visiting Holland in the 18th century. A village near Amsterdam carries 5 crosses, the wounds of Christ? No they symbolize the five bridges it was built on.
The Dutch also invented the Bank of England, which on its turn developed the federal bank of America and is still managed by mostly Dutch people. So who runs the world, you may ask?
Give the emperor his money ( the creditcrunch is the biggest scam ever...you will see soon and it will lead to a world revolution ) and love the ones who share their last bits of bread and water...a true martyr is he who survives all evil. And when his day comes, the world will be blinded by his fury! The days will be shorter a wise man once said and the kali yuga may be ending sooner then we think...for what is time in eternity?
A butterfly can cause a major hurricane...what will a true martyr cause?
Love from tulipcity ( tulips came from Turkey, did Sundrum (later christened Sinterklaas and more later by Coca Cola into the hohoho man, since he knew the real difference between Pepsi and Coke) come from Terschelling or Hyperborea?), the pearl has died but there are still some diamonds left in Amsterdam on the other side of the street near the old Theosophical tempel in the Tolstraat ( hahaha, I am bad in comparitive languages ), but has anyone heard of Ruby at Home ( in a good hum...our), the tiger King? ( explanation: this is what Koot Hoomi Lal Singh means ).
Thou shall not throw pearl before the swine...thats why most people stay away from swines, except I always wonder who the swines are? I am an earthswine in Chinese Astrology and a blue eagle in Mexican and my 3d name is Men according the Olmtecs.
But people say I am too busy with my self...well my question ( if you don't want to be in seperateness) what is Self?...Our Ruby gave the answer in the Mahatma Letters.
Good old Morya comes at the rescue with his flashing red pencil...on his way he grabs a few elementaries by the throat and throws them at me...but since I ate so much swines when I was young and had the magic potion from Obelix dropped into my left eye http://blavatskyarchives.com/moryaportrait5.jpg ( ! ), I sent them instantly into the 8th sphere...no mercy......

--- On Sun, 11/16/08, christinaleestemaker <christinaleestemaker@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: christinaleestemaker <christinaleestemaker@yahoo.com>
Subject: Theos-World Re: Comments on some statements in Pseudo-letter No. 10
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 16, 2008, 11:10 PM










    
            Yes, we take it serious and try to work on nationalized love.



--- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, Raquel Rodríguez <raquel_rpj@ ...> 

wrote:

>

> Hi Christina

> The most Hospitable and welcoming folk I have met in Europe. Eager 

to know and understand a different point of view not just 

among cultures, but also among social hierarquies. 

> Dutch has a good lesson to give to the world about differences 

living together.

>  

> Best Regards

>  

> Raquel

> 

> --- El dom, 16/11/08, Martin <Mvandertak@ ...> escribió:

> 

> De: Martin <Mvandertak@ ...>

> Asunto: Re: Theos-World Re: Comments on some statements in Pseudo-

letter No. 10

> Para: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com

> Fecha: domingo, 16 noviembre, 2008 12:12

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> Yow Christina:

> 

> Amsterdam is even smaller and has 230 nationalities and 1500 

bridges, which makes it a more interesting place than Venice, except 

you can't find 'red stones' under the "skinny bridge", however we do 

have a red light district....

> 

> --- On Sun, 11/16/08, christinaleestemake r <christinaleestemak e 

r@yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: christinaleestemake r <christinaleestemak e r@yahoo.com>

> Subject: Theos-World Re: Comments on some statements in Pseudo-

letter No. 10

> To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com

> Date: Sunday, November 16, 2008, 10:27 AM

> 

> HaHA Anand, The Netherlands is one of the smallest countries wherin 

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> lives the most different types, as well as 

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> christians,romancat holics,moslims, africans, indians, indonesians 

and 

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> mostly they respect each other and let the other free in his 

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> selections.That is one of the most important rule from TS.

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> A total colourmix in one nation.And we make Europe one big city 

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> livable for everyone.We cannot say that from your country, that 

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> cannot care for its own people.

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> Nobody let forced him or her in the direction powervoluptuouses try 

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> to impress.

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> Christina

> 

> --- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, "Anand" <AnandGholap@ ...> 

wrote:

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> >

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> > One can see that starting a spiritual movement is not an easy 

task.

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> > Masters tried to do that through Theosophical Society, and what 

is 

> 

> the

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> > result ? Today we have many different teachings contradicting with

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> > teach other. These are Blavatsky's writings, Leadbeater's writing,

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> > writings in Pseudo-letters, Krishnamurti' s teaching. One movement

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> > started and we have many different teachings contradicting with 

each

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> > other. Among these, there are distinct fanatic cults like one 

formed

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> > around Krishnamurti' s teaching, another cult around

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> > Blavatsky-Pseudo- letters teachings. And these cults set 

themselves 

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> in

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> > opposition to other major religions in the world like 

Christianity.

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> > These Theosophical cults perhaps don't have more than few thousand

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> > members and yet they oppose confidently Christianity with it's two

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> > billion followers. It is like ants challenging elephant. 

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> > How is TS going to decide it's direction and maintain it is 

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> important

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> > question. I can already see that many National Sections (like 

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> Holland)

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> > have lost the direction. It will be interesting to see what 

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> direction

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> > TS takes in next three hundred years.

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> > Best

> 

> > Anand Gholap

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> > 

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> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, "danielhcaldwell"

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> > <danielhcaldwell@ > wrote:

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> > >

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> > > Anand,

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> > > 

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> > > I thank you for answering my posting.

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> > > 

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> > > I will now comment on some of your answers as found at:

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> > > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/theos- talk/message/ 47392

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> > > 

> 

> > > Apparently in answer to my question "are Jnaneshwar & the 

Masters 

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> > > expressing the SAME idea??" you write:

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> > > 

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> > > "There are differences in the teaching of St. Jnaneshwar."

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> > > 

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> > > I assume you mean differences betweeen Jnaneshwar's teachings 

and 

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> > > what the Masters teach. Is that what you are saying?

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> > > 

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> > > If you are saying there is a difference, then WHAT IS IT??

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> > > 

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> > > According to you:

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> > > 

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> > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

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> > > St. Jnaneshwar writes in it that it is sin to consider ourselves

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> > > separate from God. He wrote that God is the only one who 

exists, 

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> all

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> > > forms which we see with senses are maya or illusion.

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> > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

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> > > 

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> > > And KH writes:

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> > > 

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> > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

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> > > . . . Pantheistic we may be called -- agnostic never. If people 

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> are

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> > > willing to accept and to regard as God our ONE LIFE immutable 

and

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> > > unconscious in its eternity they may do so and thus keep to one 

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> more

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> > > gigantic misnomer. But then they will have to say with Spinoza 

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> that

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> > > there is not and that we cannot conceive any other substance 

than

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> > > God . . . and thus become Pantheists . . . .

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> > > 

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> > > . . We are not Adwaitees, but our teaching respecting the ONE 

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> LIFE

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> > > is identical with that of the Adwaitee with regard to 

Parabrahm. 

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> And

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> > > no true philosophically Trained Adwaitee will ever call himself 

an

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> > > agnostic, for he knows that he is Parabrahm and identical in 

every

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> > > respect with THE UNIVERSAL LIFE AND SOUL -- the macrocosm is the

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> > > microcosm and he knows that there is no God APART FROM himself, 

no

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> > > creator as no being. Having found Gnosis we cannot turn our 

backs 

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> on

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> > > it and become agnostics. . . .

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> > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- ---

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> > > caps added

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> > > 

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> > > Anand, is the BASIC IDEA that you gave in what you said 

> 

> "Jnaneshwar 

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> > > writes" DIFFERENT from what KH writes above???

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> > > 

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> > > If so, can you contrast the difference? What is the difference 

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> as 

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> > > you see it? Can you explain this so that we can understand what 

> 

> you 

> 

> > > are thinking? I haven't a clue at this stage!!!

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> > > 

> 

> > > This is an important issue, so please throw some light on it 

for 

> 

> the 

> 

> > > benefit of all interested readers here at Theos-Talk.

> 

> > > 

> 

> > > Moving on.

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> > > 

> 

> > > Then you make some very general comments about the Mahatma 

> 

> Letters in 

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> > > question:

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> > > 

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> > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------

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> > > On the contrary, writings in Pseudo-letters is highly confusing.

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> > > Statements in Pseudo-letters contradict with other statements in

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> > > Pseudo-letters. Reader either does not understand the point or

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> > > misunderstands. And if one statement is said, other person can 

> 

> bring

> 

> > > contradictory statement from some other Pseudo-letter. That 

keeps

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> > > readers in a perpetual puzzle. No wonder that many people 

doubted

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> > > authenticity of Pseudo-letters. It appears that to make A. P. 

> 

> Sinnett

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> > > and others co-operate with Blavatsky, she materialized those

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> > > Pseudo-letters. But the confusion created by publication of

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> > > Pseudo-letters, and making people feel that they came from 

> 

> Masters, is

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> > > of great proportion.

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> > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

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> > > 

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> > > Well, Anand, these letters maybe are confusing FOR YOU. But I 

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> don't 

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> > > find them confusing. Why do you? 

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> > > 

> 

> > > You say that some statements in the letters CONTRADICT other 

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> > > statements in the letters. But you give no examples. So we have 

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> no 

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> > > idea what you are exactly talking about. Maybe a misinformed 

> 

> reader 

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> > > may think there are contradictions. So? 

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> > > 

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> > > You say that "the reader" doesn't understand the point or 

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> > > misunderstands. First of all, your generalization is just 

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> vague. I 

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> > > and many other readers understand the ideas expressed. If some 

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> > > readers misunderstand, whose fault is that? 

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> > > 

> 

> > > Take another example. I can assure you that I have run across 

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> > > Theosophical students who have some very confused ideas about 

> 

> certain 

> 

> > > points of Theosophical history. Who fault is that? Some of 

> 

> these 

> 

> > > people don't understand the subject, are misinformed, haven't 

> 

> studied 

> 

> > > the subject enough, etc, etc.

> 

> > > 

> 

> > > Another example. Do you think ALL readers understand the Bible 

> 

> THE 

> 

> > > SAME WAY???

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> > > 

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> > > There are all sorts of INTERPRETATIONS of the Bible. Does that 

> 

> > > therefore make the BIBLE untrustworthy just because some 

readers 

> 

> see 

> 

> > > contradictions where possibly others readers don't??????? ??

> 

> > > 

> 

> > > Some readers find all sorts of CONTRADICTIONS in the Bible, 

which 

> 

> > > make them distrust the Bible. Other readers see the Bible 

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> > > differently.

> 

> > > 

> 

> > > Same applies to any other writings including THE MAHATMA 

LETTERS.

> 

> > > 

> 

> > > As far as the teaching on "God" in the Mahatma Letters, I find 

> 

> the 

> 

> > > teaching consistent and understandable. I'm sure there are 

other 

> 

> > > readers on Theos-Talk who also understand the letters. Nigel 

> 

> Carey 

> 

> > > is a student of the Mahatma Letters and is also a member of 

Theos-

> 

> > > Talk. Ask him for his opinion.

> 

> > > 

> 

> > > Of course anyone at the beginning who knows nothing about these 

> 

> > > subjects may not understand. That is normal. But if one reads 

> 

> and 

> 

> > > studies the letters the ideas expressed do make sense.

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> > > 

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> > > One more point. 

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> > > 

> 

> > > Anand, it is your usal habit to write in general vague terms. 

> 

> But 

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> > > unless you get into the nitty gritty, into the details, the 

> 

> > > specifics, we are just spinning our wheels. 

> 

> > > 

> 

> > > I want to understand your point of view, but in order to do 

that 

> 

> you 

> 

> > > need to write in some detail and give specific examples and 

> 

> explain 

> 

> > > things. Generalizations are not very helpful.

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> > > 

> 

> > > Daniel

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> > > http://hpb.cc

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