Theos-Talk Archives (November 2008 Message tt00191)

Anand,

You write:

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Here is one example. In Mahatma Letter No. 10 it is written that God
does not exist, either personal or impersonal. In reality, accepted
chelas of same Masters, namely Annie Besant, Subba Rao, C. W.
Leadbeater wrote about existence and nature of God. 
Do you think Masters will write such contradictory letter ? It must be
Blavatsky's own writing.
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I really wonder, Anand, if you understand the teachings on "God" as 
given in the Mahatma Letters.

I give BELOW 5 extracts from the letters which I suggest may give you 
some insight into the basic teaching on "God" as given by the Masters 
in their letters.

I ask you to read and study them and ponder on what the basic ideas 
are that are conveyed in these quotations.

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Pantheistic we may be called -- agnostic NEVER. If people are willing 
to accept and to regard as God our ONE LIFE immutable and unconscious 
in its eternity they may do so and thus keep to one more gigantic 
misnomer. But then they will have to say with Spinoza that there is 
not and that we cannot conceive any other substance than God; or as 
that famous and unfortunate philosopher says in his fourteenth 
proposition, "praeter Deum nulla dari neque concepi potest 
substantia" -- and thus become Pantheists . . . . 

. . . according to Mr. Massey's philosophical conclusion we have no 
God....He is right -- since he applies the name to an extra- cosmic 
anomaly, and that we, knowing nothing of the latter, find --
each man his God -- within himself in his own personal, and at the 
same time, -- impersonal Avalokiteswara. . . .

A Being however gigantic, occupying space and having length breadth 
and thickness is most certainly the Mosaic deity; 'No-being' and a 
mere principle lands you directly in the Buddhistic atheism, or the
Vedantic primitive Acosmism.

. . . We are not Adwaitees, but our teaching respecting the one life 
is identical with that of the Adwaitee with regard to Parabrahm. And 
no true philosophically brained Adwaitee will ever call himself an 
agnostic, for he knows that he is Parabrahm and identical in every 
respect with the universal life and soul -- the macrocosm is the 
microcosm and he knows that there is no God apart from himself, no 
creator as no being....

... the adept sees and feels and lives in the very source of all 
fundamental truths -- the Universal Spiritual Essence of Nature....
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I also give you BELOW a few extracts from what the metaphysician 
Arthur W. Osborn writes about "God".

Anand, I would suggest that Mr. Osborn provides one of the keys to 
understanding what the Masters are writing about.

In a chapter titled "Location of God" in his book THE COSMIC WOMB, 
Arthur W. Osborn comments:

". . . when we ask such a question as, 'Does God exist?' we are 
virtually implying someone or something OBJECTIVE in the same sense
that we as individuals are objective. To be existent is to 
objectively real; it is a particular manifestation of a 
primal 'isness.' We are therefore back again to the problem of 
immanence; and transcendence and immanence, if universal, would be
pantheism."

"If God exists, therefore, He must represent some Reality having
objectivity RELATIVE to man and, indeed, to the universe."

"But this poses the problem of reconciling the postulated quality of
[God's] universality with the objective implication of being in 
existence....universality leads logically to pantheism, whereas
existence, with its aspect of objectivity, implies LIMITATION." p.
57 caps added.

Let us know, Anand, what you think about the ideas given here both 
from the Mahatma Letters and also from Mr. Osborn's book.

Daniel
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