Theos-Talk Archives (November 2008 Message tt00131)

In the history of TS I don't think it happened many times what is
going on now. 
Internet is available in almost all cities in the world and it is
available to all General Council members. Also it does not require
great technical skill to participate in online forums. General Council
members should interact online and give members information. 
Many members have identified John Algeo as source of problems. But
what about Betty Bland, Kim Dieu and Wies Kuiper ? This Wies Kuiper is
leading Holland section which does not have more than 200 members and
yet they can create so much trouble at international level.
Disproportionate powers given by constitution to Sections is the cause
of problem. I think, only thing that can permanently solve the problem
is implementation of Anand Gholap formula for General Council
composition. It will ensure that every Section will have voting powers
proportionate to it's membership.




--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Anand" <AnandGholap@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Pedro,
> This is a new information. It appears that quartet is still actively
> working for their objects.
> Thanks for the information.
> Anand Gholap
> 
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Pedro Oliveira" <prmoliveira@>
> wrote:
> >
> > There is still a real possibility that John Algeo's supporters will
> > attempt to seize control of the General Council at its meeting on
> > Christmas Day this year. Here are the evidences:
> > 
> > 1. The amendment proposal to disenfranchise ALL members of the TS from
> > electing the international President has not been withdrawn by Betty
> > Bland and her supporters (John Algeo, Tran-Thi-Kim-Dieu and Wies
> Kuiper).
> > 
> > 2. The International Secretary, Keith Fisher, has been politically
> > harrassed on an almost daily basis by John Algeo's supporters. They
> > have accused him, among other things, of illegality in the nomination
> > and subsequent election of the Vice-President of the TS. He has
> > communicated the results of that election to all GC members.
> > 
> > 3. The harassment messages sent to Fisher are been circularized to all
> > GC members plus a number of individuals throughout the world. This is
> > a clear attempt to condition and intimidate the minds of other GC
> > members in favour of the harasser's viepoints.
> > 
> > 4. The harassers have also accused the International Headquarters and
> > the President of being undemocratic and that she "removed" John Algeo
> > as Vice-President. The nomination of a Vice-President is a
> > constitutional prerogative of the President.
> > 
> > It is true that the majority of GC members are silent about the
> > present crisis, therefore making it difficult to gauge where they do
> > stand. 
> > 
> > Therefore those members who refuse to see the TS turned into a
> > corporation run by a board of directors, and who know that once the
> > election results are made known the elected President deserves
> > support, have no alternative except to continue to denounce, in the
> > strongest possible terms, the actions of a group of members who
> > continue to attack the President, the Secretary and Adyar, our
> > international Headquarters in a most shameless manner.
> > 
> > If such a group were really interested in using the opportunity of the
> > General Council meeting at Adyar to DISCUSS constructive suggestions
> > to improve the work of the TS world wide, as TS members and not as
> > lobbyists, I am sure this would be welcomed by all. But so far, their
> > attitude has been one of extreme belligerence, utter disrespect to
> > Radha Burnier as President of the TS, who was elected by the majority
> > of the members, and widespread political harassment within the General
> > Council.
> > 
> > Pedro 
> > 
> > 
> > > All the facts we are discussing here started when an attempt was
> made to
> > > defeat Radha Burnier by providing inaccurate and possibly misleading
> > > information to the membership that she is sick both mentally and
> > physically.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Even after three highly reputed independent physicians from two
> > countries
> > > reported that she is fit, none of those members who tried to
> defeat her
> > > corrected the inaccurate and possibly misleading information.  When
> > such an
> > > action comes from leaders who are expected to be fair and accurate,
> > all it
> > > leads to is that the trust level of ordinary members in their
> > leaders falls
> > > to earth. Once this happens, it is very difficult to believe in
> anything
> > > they say. One has to take  everything with a grain of salt.
> > > 
> > > Most members thought that after the election was over, the
matter was
> > > settled and hoped that the leaders will start concentrating on the
> most
> > > urgent issue - severe bleeding of membership around the world.
In any
> > > organization whose membership is on a continuous slide, it is the
> > > responsibility of the leaders to look into and do something about it
> > > urgently. Due to the decentralized setup of TS, the responsibility
> > is that
> > > of the national secretaries. Nothing was heard about the membership
> > issue or
> > > any plans to address it at the section level.
> > > 
> > > On the heels of the election, instead, members woke up to find
that a
> > > quartet of GS members (including the defeated candidate) had sent a
> > radical
> > > proposal to be discussed and approved at the upcoming meeting. The
> > proposal
> > > was to disenfranchise all the members from voting for the
> International
> > > President and  make the President a puppet of the GC members. The
> > proposal
> > > was so super secret in that none of the dues paying members in
> Adyar or
> > > Wheaton (except GC members) knew about it and the worker bee members
> > there
> > > had to find out about it from this Internet list. In the
> > pre-Internet days,
> > > it would have been a coup and members would have woken  up on
> > Christmas day
> > > with a shock and dismay.
> > > 
> > > Since that time, we have not heard that the proposal has been
> withdrawn.
> > > With the above background of how the leaders have acted in the past,
> > one has
> > > to assume that those behind the proposal and their supporters are
> > determined
> > > to get it done in the next meeting. Once it is a fait accompli, the
> > losers
> > > are the members, TS and theosophy. The winners, GC members.
> > > 
> > > The only quick way for members to challenge the legality of the
> > coup, after
> > > the fact would be to go to court.  Ordinary members do not have the
> > funds to
> > > hire lawyers and litigate. The GC once having accomplished the
> coup, can
> > > access the treasury and other assets to litigate and defend their
> > decisions.
> > > Further funding can come from the other sections which have a lot of
> > money
> > > in the bank.
> > > 
> > > Due to how secrecy surrounds all proposals and other behind the
scene
> > > actions and maneuverings,  we do not know what other machinations
> > are going
> > > on behind the closed doors. One should not be surprised by any other
> > > surprise move to seize control by GC.
> > > 
> > > In the above scenario, are the members to keep silent? I do not
> > think so.
> > > 
> > > MKR Member TSA
> > > 
> > > THERE IS NO RELIGION HIGHER THAN TRUTH
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 7:44 PM, Warwick Keys <keyteach@> wrote:
> > > 
> > > >   MKR talks a load of rubbish and should know better. He probably
> > took a
> > > > leading part in the "Reds under the bed" uproars of not so long
> > ago. It is
> > > > time to get real and deal with facts and not manufacture fiction.
> > > >
> > > > It is not surprising that responsible GC members do not bother
> > responding,
> > > > in fact most probably never even look at BLOG sites.
> > > >
> > > > Warwick Keys - GC member.
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > > >  
> > > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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