Theos-Talk Archives (November 2008 Message tt00030)

Dear John,

Yes, it is long but in my opinion worth seeing.

>my version of corporations was the they were an evolution of the 
Craft and Trading Guilds of Europe that werean evolution that became 
Charteres and later into Corporations.<

Yes, this is also explained in the video later on.

>Naom Chomsky is a well known committed Communist ?<

I thought that you have already exterminated all of them :) Well, in 
the video there are various people presenting their views, from 
Chomsky and Moore to corporation's managers and I like to listen to 
every single man with an open mind and without prejudice.

>Corporations are not evil ?<

No, and video is explaining that but also reveals the pathology.

>Watch "CNBC" online regularly and view the ticker tape running on 
the bottom, that is the pulse of reality not distorted communist 
garbage.<

The latest Government interventions reveals that the reality of stock 
market is more complex. I don't know what you mean with communist 
garbage and why are you relating my views or me personally with it. I 
was under control of secret police in the time of "communists" as 
well as I am now when they became "capitalists".

>The Yoga Sutra of Patanjali and the ancient science of what the 
mind "is" can be of more assistance than any "peoples revolution".

Again, John, I do not understand the relation. I said that we have to 
be attentive about what is going trough our mind and try to discern 
the source - quite near to Yoga.

>In the context of the battle for the rule of souls, when we can 
become awake in both light and darkness at the same time the forces 
will have become reconciled and equilibrated and we will know the 
allness of the Cosmic Community of Consciousness.<

We alone have to awake ourselves, although these pressing times will 
foster that. And I hope that these discussions help us a little. 

>Krishna told Arjun "arise and do thy duty Arjun".

Well, I am trying to do my best.

Warmest regards,
Anton



--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Augoeides-222@... wrote:
>
> Anton,
>    Thanks for your comments and views. But the video on 
corporations you posted is 3 hours long!
> And it begins with an erroneous definition (in my personal opinion) 
of how corporations first began, stating the first corporations were 
government corporations composed of people who needed to do a 
project. I don't agree, my version of corporations was the they were 
an evolution of the Craft and Trading Guilds of Europe that werean 
evolution that became Charteres and later into Corporations. Naom 
Chomsky is a well known committed Communist who  is one reason the 
video begins with the above statedher distortion of history that is 
very self serving in my view. Sorry, but I have zero intention of 
being brain washed by Chomsky.
> 
>    Corporations are not evil, they are owned by many hundreds of 
million of common people in all walks of life who bought the various 
tiers of shares and who have voting rights that do cause proper 
direction of actions in almost all cases. That is not to say that 
human weakness or character deficiency cannot occur that sometimes 
injure stockholders.  Profit is also not evil, we never had mandatory 
Peoples Communes here in America, the Private Farmer does own his 
land and crop and even if he does sign a contract to sell  his entire 
production and crop to a higher tier distributor like Archer- Daniels-
Midland or  Kraft Foods or some other giant distributorship 
corporation or manufacturer he is not a slave of the state. It is his 
choice and decision that he makes not some authoritative beaurocracy.
> 
>    The Corporate reality is dominant because it is what works the 
best, it is not an evil covert conspiracy. Quaker oats makes cereal 
and tries to earn dividends for each share that everyday common 
people own, as well as richer people, the profit is distributed 
quarterly to all share holders who may be employee's, private 
citizens, old grandmothers, retired railroad workers, school 
teachers, Pension Funds and so forth. They directly benefit from 
their well considered investment in over 90 % of all historic 
practice. Watch "CNBC" online regularly and view the ticker tape 
running on the bottom, that is the pulse of reality not distorted 
communist garbage. 
> 
> CNBC Online
> 
> >>>http://www.cnbc.com/<<<
> 
>     For Christ sake! We evolved out of peasantry and serfdom as a 
natural process with tons of human suffering! Who the heck wants to 
go backwards and become a serf-peasant- peon under communists? Lol!
> 
>    Life is both simple and complex at the same time, the Buddha 
realized he was already intrinsically free, unmarked, unstained, 
original native state. It is that view that provides the falling away 
of chains of bondage, and is simple in truth. 
> 
>   Anton, you know that the Mahatma's intentioned to have Olcutt and 
Madame Blavatsky meet for the very first time at the Eddy Brothers 
Residence where they both were exposed to the spiritist seances and 
productions of certain effects. Olcutt was writing regular articles 
for a New York Newspaper that was very interesting to the papers 
readers. Here again they both were given direct exposure and lessons 
(on the job training) on paranormal events and consciousness which 
broadened and cultured their peer views and understanding. It is rare 
today for any of us to have benefit of direct experience of alternate 
realities. If anything we are strongly directed away from that form 
of knowledge ( so very Catholic). The understanding of the overall 
gestalt and spectrum of consciousness itself is manifoldly 
deep ,undiscovered, many leveled, and can be literally stupefying. In 
Whitley Streibers case, one time they took the form of a sweet 
innocent non-threatening "Fawn Deer" and told him telepat
> hically "This is for the benefit of your mind that you may not be 
threatened by our presence". Do any of us know if incidents of this 
nature have already happened to world leaders? And in what way they 
responded? The Experiencer I was engaged with also had some similar 
presentations.
> 
> 
> >>>And until we do not acquire a constant habit 
> of discovering the potential causes for our various moods and 
acting 
> to try to some extend neutralize them we are just preys and tools 
in 
> a big game.<<< 
> 
> 
>  The Yoga Sutra of Patanjali and the ancient science of what the 
mind "is" can be of more assistance than any "peoples revolution".
> 
>     Years ago in that case they proposed an aphorism"
> 
> "Man is two men in one------ one asleep in the light------ another 
awake in the darkness"
> 
> In the context of the battle for the rule of souls, when we can 
become awake in both light and darkness  at the same time the forces 
will have become reconciled and equilibrated and we will know the 
allness of the Cosmic Community of Consciousness. We know only the 
tip of the iceberg presently.Yes there is the contest and it has 
properties of the duality, but ultimately it is "Lila" the Sport of 
Vishnu, our native state and all other forms of consciousness high or 
low are only projective appearances that are temporally impermanent 
and resolve to native state ultimately as both the Mahatma's and 
Blavatsky explain. As Krishna told Arjun "arise and do thy duty 
Arjun".
> 
> Regards,
> John
> 
> 
> 
> -------------- Original message -------------- 
> From: "Anton Rozman" <anton_rozman@...> 
> Dear Morten, John and all,
> 
> Morten wrote:
> 
> >I find the present attitude in various governments quite strange - 
> if not out of line with normal reactions to such a situation.<
> 
> John Wrote:
> 
> >But this realm is scary to Leaders who are sworn to protect their 
> common public citizens and populations. We are for all practicle 
> purposes defenseless against the alien interventions of 
> consciousness.<
> 
> In my view there are two aspects of this situation. 
> 
> The first one is our perception of moving powers on the field of 
> politics, economy, education, medicine, ? our entire social life. 
We 
> think that it is governed through definite political system what is 
> just an illusion as it is actually a battlefield between the 
liberal 
> forces and actual moving force behind the scenes - the corporative 
> interest which acquired dominant role already long time ago. This 
> video, "The Corporation", is must see to get an impression of the 
> real situation:
> 
> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=192012118972057552&hl=en
> 
> The second is our perception of moving powers on the field of our 
> mind. We think that it is governed by our consciousness what is 
> equally just an illusion as it is actually a battlefield between 
our 
> soul's search for freedom on the one side and among consciousnesses 
> of more highly evolved presences in our world which equally 
acquired, 
> or rather play, dominant role already for long time, on the other. 
It 
> is real war for souls. And until we do not acquire a constant habit 
> of discovering the potential causes for our various moods and 
acting 
> to try to some extend neutralize them we are just preys and tools 
in 
> a big game. 
> 
> Warmest regards,
> Anton
> 
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Augoeides-222@ wrote:
> >
> > Morten,
> > Yes, there are a great many highly educated , tested , highly 
> trained and competent witnesses who have impeccable credentials and 
> often high command position in the military, civilian and political 
> realms. Much too many to be identified as fringe lunatic, drug 
> culture drop-outs etc. But this realm is 
> > scary to Leaders who are sworn to protect their common public 
> citizens and populations. We are for all practicle purposes 
> defenseless against the alien interventions of consciousness. In 
some 
> aspects they do mimic in a certain parallel the advanced means of 
the 
> Mahatma's. Such as the ability to establish the bridge of 
> continuous "Rapport" between their own consciousness and that of 
> their mortal earthly personages that they choose to come into 
contact 
> with. They can place scenes and reality upon the screen of our 
minds 
> so solidly that for us it is indistinguishable from our normal 
> perception of our daily surround. They can cause time collapse 
> wherein all seems to be in slow motion and also where impossible 
> transits can occur in too short a time for the distance traveled. 
> They can pre-empt verbal origination by answering before you may 
ask 
> the question held in your mind accurately and without hesitation or 
> lag. They can apport objects and change form of objects at will. 
They 
> can pas
> > s through walls or barriers and travel in the air without means 
of 
> support. I learnt that one cannot trust direct perception because 
> once you experience alter-determinism that you know you did not 
> intention or participate in the creation of, it is a kind of rude 
> awakening to alternate realities. I and others in my own car 
traveled 
> 148 miles in just 37 minutes clearly impossible for a Toyota SR-5 
on 
> a California Interstate Highway. But we did calibrate four personal 
> watches and my cars crystal clock when weembarkedd that day on out 
> trip. The entire day was like being in a "Twilight Zone Episode". 
It 
> defied rational explanation.
> > 
> > Certainn originations they gave were somewhat equivelant to 
> Theosophical Maxims:
> > 
> > "Seek not of I-------- seek rather the energy of your own Being---
--
> -and-------- the Space that is about you."
> > 
> > "The right hand extended in Trust--------the left hand extended 
in 
> Love"
> > 
> > "Will you come into the Circle of Unity?"
> > 
> > "In the days that lay ahead there will be a Challenge to Mankind"
> > 
> > "You will be Challenged and you are to Challenge"
> > 
> > They seem to be like a subconscious war between opposing forces 
> with Man in the middle each struggling for control in some 
> experiencer cases.
> > 
> > The great many abduction cases by the Grays have receded and 
today 
> there areonlyy a very few that are happening,, the context has 
> changed and we seemtoo be in a pause of transition. 
> > 
> > A recent Scientific Discovery was announced. Interesting to me as 
> it concerned a star system that was a principal in the case I 
> described recently, "Epsilon Eridani" where the " Tall Nordics" 
> originated from allegedly (BTW "Eridani" means the River and has 
very 
> ancient eppelations " Like the stars of heaven he shall shine----
like 
> the River of the Night he shall flow" one the Nasca Plain where 
Maria 
> Reich spent her life in study of the Ground Glrecommend is a River 
> named Rio Ingenio it means "River of the Super Mind of Genius" , 
> Consciusness itself has been characterized by Madame Blavatsky and 
> the Mahatma's as the Streams of Consciousness:
> > 
> > >>> http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2008/10/nearby-solar-
> sy.html<<<
> > 
> > I recommend the dated but very useful work:
> > 
> > ""Abduction --times in Encounters witlistingns" by Ppageer Prize 
> Winner John E. Mack, M.D. Harvard Psychiatrist, ISBN #0-345-39300-
7, 
> 1994.
> > 
> > Useful also are all the works of Harold T. Wilkins especially 
> his: "Flying Saucers on the Attacks" 
> > 
> > I have a fairly replete library for anyone interested to share.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > John
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > "Is there Agreement upon the Land?"
> > -------------- Original message -------------- 
> > From: "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-theosophy@> 
> > Dear John
> > 
> > Thank you for your answer.
> > 
> > My issue with the Disclosure Project, Steven Greer and the people 
> behind it is, that according to my view, there are wat to many 
> welleducated, and persons known to be sane, who claim that they 
have 
> seen something, or have been told something from various 
independant 
> sources about this issue. Persons like Former Canadian Defence 
> Minister Paul Hellyer, 
> > Dr. Edgar Mitchell, Jesse Marcell, John Callahan - Former FAA 
> Division Chief, Jimmy Carter, Ronald Regan, and Rockefeller. And as 
> long as cropcircles are real, and the fact that former astronauts, 
> ministers, presidents, who say they have seen - something, - I find 
> the present attitude in variouse governments quite strange - if not 
> out of line with normal reactions to such a situation.
> > 
> > A question:
> > Can we in a certain say, that the UFO's and Aliens in our day are 
> equvalent to the Mahatma Letters in 19th century?
> > 
> > And what can we learn from this?
> > Should we ignore the fact that numerous persons have seen 
SOMETHING?
> > 
> > M. Sufilight
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: Augoeides-222@ 
> > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 10:51 PM
> > Subject: Re: Theos-World British MPs back animal-human embryo 
> research
> > 
> > Morten,
> > The "CARET" Technology is completely independent of Whitley 
> Streiber. It was posted and publicizes by an anonymous man calling 
> himself "Isaac" who claims that he worked in the Northern 
> Calififornia Bay arera for a Company that had a secret Project. He 
> posted many photographs and pages of enigmatic information online 
and 
> promised to publish additional materials randomly. The CARET 
objects 
> have been photographed and video taped in several different 
locations 
> in multiple States here in the USA. There are many speculations in 
> all directions about what they are, where they come from, who is 
> source for them. It is uncertain at this date. But they are 
> interesting.
> > 
> > Whitley Streiber had a series on Alien encounters over a 
> considerable period of time in which he was taken by the Grays, the 
> short little aliens similar to the ones in the Betty and Barney 
Hill 
> Encounters, the are alleged to come from the star Zeta Reticuli. 
Not 
> all Grays come from the same star system though. 
> > Streiber was a Fiction Writer and wrote Novels like "Wolfen" 
before 
> his Encounters with the Grays. After his primary encounters he 
> authored "Communion" which tells what happened to him, how he was 
> handled and psychologized, underwent examinations by them. He wrote 
> of his state of mind, his emotional distress, how it effected his 
> life and relations with his wife, family, friends and colleges.
> > Later a movie based on Communion was released but it was not 
> faithful to his own version, they held Propietory License for 
> the "Treatment" which allowed them to change the real facts.
> > Yes , he is Catholic and I do recall he has made some mention of 
> Gurdjieff. He was a website online which he created after buying 
the 
> Rights to the "Dreamland" name from Art Bell the previous 
> > Radio Host who had been for 20 years on Coasttocoastam.com. 
> Google "Whitley Streiber" . Art Bell's regular Sunday Radio Show 
was 
> named "Dreamland" and it was very, very poplular. Dreamland is also 
> one the names used for "Area 51".
> > 
> > As far as I know Dr. Greer has not been a Theosophist formally.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > John
> > 
> > -------------- Original message -------------- 
> > From: "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-theosophy@> 
> > Is there a clear connection between Withley Strieber and the 
CARET 
> programe on one hand and the Disclosure Project and Steven Greer on 
> the other?
> > 
> > Is it not true that Withley Strieber is a Roman Catholic with 
> Gurdjieff leanings?
> > 
> > - - - 
> > 
> > I asked you: Is Steven Greer at theosophist working for the 
Masters 
> from your point of view?
> > 
> > M. Sufilight
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: Anton Rozman 
> > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 4:03 PM
> > Subject: Re: Theos-World British MPs back animal-human embryo 
> research
> > 
> > Dear Morten and all,
> > 
> > Here is an interview about the influence of released information 
on 
> > the public from the perspective of one of the bestselling 
novelists 
> > Whitley Streiber:
> > 
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYuGRLfn2tU
> > 
> > And here a piece of suppressed technology:
> > 
> > http://isaaccaret.fortunecity.com/
> > 
> > Warmest regards,
> > Anton
> > 
> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-
> > theosophy@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Thank you for your answer.
> > > 
> > > Anton wrote:
> > > "They are for sure acquainted with the latest fashion."
> > > 
> > > LOL.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Have any of you tried:
> > > "ET Contact: Dr. Steven Greer Pt.1 - Pt.12"
> > > (12 short videos with an Interview about Steven Greer's giving 
> his 
> > own biography and work. His out-of-body-experiences as well as 
zero-
> > point energy talks etc. etc.) ?
> > > www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0aw64jvyF0
> > > or 
> > 
> 
www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/9801/ET_Contact__Dr__Steven_Greer_Pt_
> > 1/ 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Or his book: "Hidden Truth - Forbidden Knowledge" ?
> > > 
> > > Is he really a theosophist or working for the masters?
> > > 
> > > M. Sufilight
> > > 
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: Anton Rozman 
> > > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
> > > Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 9:23 AM
> > > Subject: Re: Theos-World British MPs back animal-human embryo 
> > research
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Thanks John,
> > > 
> > > Good footages. I already see the last one as Aviano is only 
about 
> > 150 
> > > km from my home. In the period February-April 1997 there were 
> > more 
> > > then 150 sightings in that area. This footage from July 1997 
was 
> > sent 
> > > anonymously to ufo specialist, professor Chiumento. He comments 
> > on 
> > > the TV - below link
> > > 
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBJNqwe6LHY
> > > 
> > > that it is too clear to be true and that in such circumstances 
> > > interviews with witnesses are most important confirmation act 
of 
> > > authenticity. There are rumors that it was done by Italian 
> > military 
> > > to actually cover up the real activity there. And as this video 
> > was 
> > > very much promoted on Silvio Berlusconi's TV "Italia Uno" these 
> > > rumors are probably true.
> > > 
> > > There are a lot of NASA footages made by Shuttle outside earth 
> > > atmosphere and one can see that there is almost such traffic as 
> > on 
> > > the Frankfurt airport.
> > > 
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0jpUPLqLhA
> > > 
> > > Therefore theosophical perspective of Mahatmas as still wearing 
> > > turbans and living in Tibetan valley is from my perspective a 
> > little 
> > > outdated. They are for sure acquainted with the latest fashion.
> > > 
> > > And Morten, yes, UN would be most probably the best place for 
the 
> > > Disclosure.
> > > 
> > > Warmest regards,
> > > Anton
> > > 
> > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Augoeides-222@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Morten, Anton,
> > > > Well I think a short frolic in the sudsy giddy realm of UFO's 
> > > and such might be in order in regard to recent comments so I 
here 
> > > post three excellent UFO Video's for perusal 1 Italian and 2 
> > Turkish:
> > > > 
> > > > Rize' deki Shapshifter forest UFO Turkey
> > > > 
> > > > >>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5W3buftf9o<<<
> > > > 
> > > > Sirius UFO Center Video Turkey (you may use the "magnifier" 
at 
> > the 
> > > bottom right corner on the Windows Taskbar to enlarge to 200 % 
> > and it 
> > > will not interfere with the Video play)
> > > > 
> > > > >>>http://www.siriusufo.org/tr/?
> > > fx=sayfa_ac&url=html/english/kumburgaz_2008.asp<<<
> > > > 
> > > > Italian River UFO (this possibly man made Technology object 
was 
> > not 
> > > far from Aviano AFB where the USA has a large presence)
> > > > 
> > > > >>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=YdyQu5Zx8xw&feature=related<<<
> > > > 
> > > > Enjoy, regards,
> > > > John
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > -------------- Original message -------------- 
> > > > From: "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-theosophy@> 
> > > > Dear Anton and all readers
> > > > 
> > > > My views are:
> > > > 
> > > > The issue Extra Sensory Perception (clairvoyance, telepathy, 
> > > precognition etc.) 
> > > > seem quite often to be the most important one to tackle when 
> > one 
> > > deals with Ufos, aliens and various socalled governmental 
> > projects.
> > > > 
> > > > I said in the earlier email:
> > > > Saying that no people at all in power structures like 
> > political, 
> > > military, security agencies, journalism etc etc. are not 
> > seriously 
> > > considering the possiblity of extrasensory perception 
> > (clairvoyance, 
> > > telepathy, precognition etc.) being something actual and REAL 
is 
> > of 
> > > course wrong.
> > > > 
> > > > This leads to the question: 
> > > > Why are not more leaders in the power structure coming - 
more - 
> > > forward about this quite - important issue?
> > > > (The United Nations could be a good place to start.) 
Important 
> > > because of various reasons. There are what some will 
> > call "security 
> > > issues" involved. There are the huge the shift in thought 
> > patterns to 
> > > concider among politicians, journalists, and people in general 
if 
> > > this issue should prove it self to be true. And when we know, 
> > that a 
> > > great percentage of this planets population - especially in 
> > western 
> > > countries - are interested in the subject, the questions seem 
> > quite 
> > > natural to forward. I believe that in the spiritual countries 
> > India 
> > > and Tibet they find Extra Sensory Perception to be as natural 
as 
> > > breathing the air.
> > > > 
> > > > As long as various governments and countries for years have 
> > been 
> > > funding projects to research the issue, the question seem to be 
> > of 
> > > importance.
> > > > We know, that a Dog for instances can smell and hear on a 
> > level, 
> > > ordinary humans cannot.
> > > > We have microscopes, telescopes, radio telescopes (SETI), 
> > hearing 
> > > aids, glasses etc. We know, that various animals very easily 
can 
> > find 
> > > their way home when compared to humans stranded in the wild. We 
> > know, 
> > > that a great number of species never kill each other and that 
> > they 
> > > are peaceful vegetarians, who are not polluting the planet.
> > > > 
> > > > M. Sufilight
> > > > 
> > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > From: Anton Rozman 
> > > > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
> > > > Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 12:14 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: Theos-World British MPs back animal-human embryo 
> > > research
> > > > 
> > > > >So why are they - so very much - reluctant in using time on 
> > the 
> > > > issue except because of religious reasons - known as the 
Bible 
> > and 
> > > > fanatical views or egotism?<
> > > > 
> > > > Dear Morten, 
> > > > 
> > > > I don't know if I fully understand your question. It is now 
> > known 
> > > > that intelligence community and still more secret agencies 
> > around 
> > > the 
> > > > world ran several secret projects on these topics and that 
> > findings 
> > > > were and are amply used in various fields mainly to present 
to 
> > the 
> > > > people a reality they want that people see. You can not 
expect 
> > that 
> > > > they will come forward saying: We are fooling you!
> > > > 
> > > > Best regards,
> > > > Anton
> > > > 
> > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen" 
> > <global-
> > > > theosophy@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > Dear Anton
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > My views are:
> > > > > 
> > > > > Anton wrote:
> > > > > "I wonder what impact has these stories on the 
> > > > > American public. "
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Thanks. I find this to be a good question.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Saying that no people at all in power structures like 
> > political, 
> > > > military, security agencies, journalism etc etc. are not 
> > seriously 
> > > > considering the possiblity of extrasensory perception 
> > > (clairvoyance, 
> > > > telepathy, precognition etc.) being something actual and REAL 
> > is of 
> > > > course wrong. So why are they - so very much - reluctant in 
> > using 
> > > > time on the issue except because of religious reasons - known 
> > as 
> > > the 
> > > > Bible and fanatical views or egotism?
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > M. Sufilight
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > > From: Anton Rozman 
> > > > > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 7:13 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: Theos-World British MPs back animal-human 
embryo 
> > > > research
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Hi John,
> > > > > 
> > > > > It seems that Dr. Greer has somehow stopped his activity as 
I 
> > > > don't 
> > > > > see any new things on Disclosure Project web site for a 
long 
> > > > time. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Governments in Europe and Russia are now disclosing 
> > classified 
> > > > > documents but it seems that USA have developed most 
advanced 
> > > > projects 
> > > > > out of contacts. And I think that the most important aspect 
> > of 
> > > > this 
> > > > > whole story is suppressed technology. It would radically 
> > change 
> > > > the 
> > > > > world. There are rumors that it will be gradually realesed 
in 
> > > > next 
> > > > > years.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I have heard some interviews on Coasttocoast and time to 
time 
> > I 
> > > > visit 
> > > > > the web site and I wonder what impact has these stories on 
> > the 
> > > > > American public. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Anton
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Augoeides-222@ wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Anton,
> > > > > > Yes, I am well aware of the topic of governmental secrecy 
> > > > having 
> > > > > had a interest as well as experience for decades here in 
the 
> > USA 
> > > > as 
> > > > > regards UFO and Paranormal events. In one TV Production I 
> > made I 
> > > > used 
> > > > > the Magic Papers in certain parts just to expose people to 
it 
> > who 
> > > > > would view the program. Dr. Steven Greer worked for years 
to 
> > > > > assemble a large congregation of Military, Scientists, 
> > > > > Professionals, Airline Pilots and many Witnesses. His 
> > objective 
> > > > was 
> > > > > to have our Congress open Hearings and give serious review 
of 
> > the 
> > > > > assembled evidences. The problem is that it will it seems 
> > never 
> > > > > happen. As long as a certain Senator Orrin Hatch of the 
State 
> > of 
> > > > Utah 
> > > > > Chairs the Justice Committee in the U. S. Senate. he 
> > adamantly 
> > > > > refuses to even entertain the proposal and even said "Over 
my 
> > > > dead 
> > > > > body" before it will happen! That was more than a decade 
ago 
> > and 
> > > > he 
> > > > > is still in Office.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > In our lower body, the House I think a single Hearing did 
> > take 
> > > > > place many years ago to no avail of the cause of openness 
and 
> > > > > honesty in regards to UFO's. Several major Politicians did 
> > > > attempt to 
> > > > > find the truth about government withholding of information. 
> > Sen. 
> > > > > Barry Goldwater of Arizona holding strong Chairmanship in 
the 
> > > > Senate 
> > > > > even went to Wright-Patterson AFB and was repelled at gun 
> > point 
> > > > when 
> > > > > he insisted upon entering the legendary Hangar 18. 
President 
> > > > Jimmy 
> > > > > Carter made public promise to do all he could do to get the 
> > > > > information made public. He was instructed he did not 
possess 
> > > > > the "Need to Know" and had insufficient clearance to allow 
> > him to 
> > > > be 
> > > > > briefed on what they denied they had. 
> > > > > > And Area 51and all the rumors cannot be placed in the 
open 
> > > > > sunshine. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Probably the most listened to radio talk on UFO comes 
from 
> > > > > http://coasttocoastam.com which has a listenership of about 
> > 40 
> > > > > million each night. 7 days a week. Much of it isaboutr 
UFO's, 
> > > > > Experiencers, Paramormal and many other unique subjects 
with 
> > a 
> > > > > plethora of popular guests. Tonight 10-24-08 the Guest Host 
> > for 
> > > > the 
> > > > > Program is Whitley Streiber who wrote the famous 
> > > > book "Communion." 
> > > > > It was the vehicle for his own personal experiance with the 
> > > > > extraterrestials.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > John
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > usa as regards ufo
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > -------------- Original message -------------- 
> > > > > > From: "Anton Rozman" <anton_rozman@> 
> > > > > > Hi John,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Thank you very much for your views. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > In my opinion the key information here is that there 
exists 
> > one 
> > > > > > another reality which was purposely hidden from us by our 
> > > > > governments 
> > > > > > and controlled agencies and media. So, it is up to 
> > courageous 
> > > > > > insiders to provide us their perspective on what is 
really 
> > > > going 
> > > > > on, 
> > > > > > while it is up to each of us to form our own 
understanding 
> > > > > comparing 
> > > > > > various sources. It is really good training to keep one's 
> > mind 
> > > > open.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > You can find inteviews with very reliable people on:
> > > > > > http://www.projectcamelot.org/
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > But, in my view, even more important message for us as 
> > > > theosophists 
> > > > > > in this interview is that there are going on important 
> > changes 
> > > > on 
> > > > > > this world and that we can largely contribute that the 
> > passage 
> > > > will 
> > > > > > be less painful and more peaceful. If we will be able to 
> > solve 
> > > > our 
> > > > > > inner disagreements in a fraternal, constructive and 
> > innovative 
> > > > > > manner we will do our best service to the humanity.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Warmest regards,
> > > > > > Anton
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Augoeides-222@ wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Anton
> > > > > > > Well Bob Dean is a relatively respected personage in 
the 
> > UFO 
> > > > > > Arena but I can't see the basis for Nibiru as he speaks 
of 
> > it 
> > > > in 
> > > > > > present time. There are so many Astronomical 
Observatory's 
> > in 
> > > > many 
> > > > > > different nations, some of which would not necessarily 
> > squash 
> > > > > > knowledge of the presence of Niburu as related by Bob 
Dean 
> > and 
> > > > > would 
> > > > > > surely make public announcement. 
> > > > > > > There is according to Paval Smutny a former NASA Space 
> > > > > > Scientist, who specialized in Deep Space Communication 
and 
> > > > Orbital 
> > > > > > Mechanics as his primary NASA work an ancient record that 
> > > > describes 
> > > > > > it. He, in his personal studies relates a history of 
Nibiru 
> > > > > > (Nemesis, Phaeton, 12th Planet etc.) where it only makes 
a 
> > > > close 
> > > > > > approach proximate to the Earth a small number of times 
in 
> > > > every 
> > > > > > Solar Year (25,920 Years ( or 1 Cycle of the 
> > Constellational 
> > > > > Zodiac). 
> > > > > > Pavel Smutny now lives in Slovakia if I recall correctly. 
> > If 
> > > > you 
> > > > > > Google his name you will find his several websites that 
> > related 
> > > > his 
> > > > > > findings in regard to Nibiru. Also Google Dendara and the 
> > > > Senmut 
> > > > > > Temple, and The Darmer Pallete. In his description he 
> > extracts 
> > > > from 
> > > > > > the Egyptian record the approach , path and periodocity 
of 
> > the 
> > > > 12th 
> > > > > > Planet. He has, in my view one of the most interesting 
> > study to 
> > > > > show 
> > > > > > actual 12th Planet supported by alledged knowledge of the 
> > > > ancients 
> > > > > > which he thoroughly diagrammatically presents on his 
> > webpages.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > I in my own view, have entertained a possibility that 
the 
> > > > 12th 
> > > > > > Planet may have made close approach during the second 
> > middle 
> > > > period 
> > > > > > of Tiahuanacu (15,450 BC ) as Bellamy and Allen have 
shown 
> > the 
> > > > > > catastrophic record of the passage engravened upon the 
> > andesite 
> > > > > > artifacts of Tiahuanacu. This occasion set in the mind of 
> > man a 
> > > > > > subconscious memory of the traumatic terror that 
prevailed 
> > > > > > consequential to the passage and capture of one of the 
12th 
> > > > Planets 
> > > > > > Minor satellites and it's eventual disintetagration and 
> > rain of 
> > > > > it's 
> > > > > > pieces on the earth and is portrayed as the celestial 
> > dragon 
> > > > > belching 
> > > > > > fire and brimstone in the sky. The story of Osiris's 
battle 
> > > > with 
> > > > > > Typhon (the forces of space) and his being dismembered 
and 
> > his 
> > > > body 
> > > > > > parts scattered on the earth, with the lamenting Isis 
> > unable to 
> > > > > find 
> > > > > > his "organ" of regeneration (the core of the minor 
> > satellite 
> > > > the 
> > > > > fled 
> > > > > > into space when relieved of it's outer shells during the 
> > > > > catastrophe. 
> > > > > > Osiris was a Lunar Diety figure of the Egyptians..
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Regards, 
> > > > > > > John
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > PS: Thanks for the Bob Dean links for his interview 
> > videos.
> > > > > > > -------------- Original message -------------- 
> > > > > > > From: "Anton Rozman" <anton_rozman@> 
> > > > > > > Hi all,
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Maybe here is a little bigger picture:
> > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbgHyrmgRZM
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > > > Anton
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Cass Silva 
> > <silva_cass@> 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Also it will prove that we are the ancestors of the 
> > apes 
> > > > and 
> > > > > not 
> > > > > > > the other way around - can you expand on the heliosphere
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Cass
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > > > > From: Martin <Mvandertak@>
> > > > > > > > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, 23 October, 2008 7:03:37 PM
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Theos-World British MPs back animal-
human 
> > > > embryo 
> > > > > > > research
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > I wonder if the Solar Lords will dig this, they 
didn't 
> > in 
> > > > > > > Atlantis...the sun is btw very quiet at the moment and 
> > its 
> > > > > > > heliosphere has shrunk more than 25% the last 25 
> > years...this 
> > > > > could 
> > > > > > > mean part destruction of this earth by cosmic fire.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 10/23/08, nhcareyta <nhcareyta@yahoo. 
> > com.au> 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > From: nhcareyta <nhcareyta@yahoo. com.au>
> > > > > > > > Subject: Theos-World British MPs back animal-human 
> > embryo 
> > > > > research
> > > > > > > > To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
> > > > > > > > Date: Thursday, October 23, 2008, 4:49 AM
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Britain's lower house of parliament has approved 
> > > > legislation 
> > > > > > > allowing 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > scientists to create animal-human embryos for medical 
> > > > research, 
> > > > > > in 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > the biggest shake-up of embryology laws in two 
decades.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Despite opposition from religious and pro-life 
groups, 
> > MPs 
> > > > in 
> > > > > the 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > House of Commons today backed the Human Embryology 
and 
> > > > > > > Fertilisation 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Bill by 355 votes to 129. 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > It will now go to a vote in the House of Lords, and 
> > could 
> > > > be 
> > > > > law 
> > > > > > by 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > November.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > The wide-ranging bill, which has been debated for 
> > months, 
> > > > would 
> > > > > > > also 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > allow "saviour siblings" - children created as a 
close 
> > > > genetic 
> > > > > > > match 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > for a sick brother or sister so their genetic 
material 
> > can 
> > > > help 
> > > > > > > treat 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > them.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > In addition, it gives lesbians and single women 
easier 
> > > > access 
> > > > > to 
> > > > > > in-
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > vitro fertilisation (IVF) treatment by removing 
> > > > requirements 
> > > > > for 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > clinics to consider a child's need for a father.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Health Minister Dawn Primarolo told MPs the bill was 
> > about 
> > > > > > helping 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > the one in seven couples who needed fertility 
> > assistance, 
> > > > and 
> > > > > > about 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > research to deal with diseases such as Alzheimer's, 
> > which 
> > > > > affects 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 350,000 Britons.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Hybrid embryos, created by inserting the nuclei of a 
> > human 
> > > > cell 
> > > > > > > into 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > an animal egg, can ensure a more plentiful supply of 
> > stem 
> > > > cells 
> > > > > > for 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > use in research into treating conditions like 
> > Alzheimer's 
> > > > and 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Parkinson's.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > "It is about research to deal with the dreadful 
> > diseases 
> > > > and 
> > > > > the 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > debilitating attacks on their health from which many 
in 
> > our 
> > > > > > society 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > suffer," the minister told MPs.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > "The bill is about combining science with an ethical 
> > > > framework 
> > > > > > that 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > works on behalf of humankind."
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Prime Minister Gordon Brown is a strong defender of 
the 
> > > > > measures, 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > saying Britain owes it to future generations. His son 
> > > > Fraser 
> > > > > has 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > cystic fibrosis, a disease that could one day benefit 
> > from 
> > > > > embryo 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > research.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > However, 16 MPs from his ruling Labour party, 
including 
> > > > former 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > minister Ruth Kelly, a staunch Catholic who quit the 
> > > > government 
> > > > > > > this 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > month, voted against the bill and religious groups 
> > warned 
> > > > it 
> > > > > was 
> > > > > > > the 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > next step on a "slippery slope".
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Nadine Dorries, a member of the opposition 
Conservative 
> > > > Party, 
> > > > > > told 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > her fellow MPs that loopholes in the legislation 
raised 
> > the 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > possibility of scientists attempting cross-breeding 
> > between 
> > > > > > humans 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > and animals.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > "Of all the experimental possibilities debated in the 
> > > > course of 
> > > > > > > this 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > bill, surely none is quite so utterly repulsive as 
the 
> > > > > > possibility 
> > > > > > > of 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > seeking to inseminate animals with human sperm," she 
> > said.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > The debate was overshadowed by complaints from all 
> > sides 
> > > > that 
> > > > > the 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > government had blocked a discussion on reforming the 
> > > > abortion 
> > > > > > laws. 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Ministers suggested they did not think the current 
bill 
> > was 
> > > > the 
> > > > > > > right 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > time to do this.
> > > > > > > > 
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