Re: Theos-World British MPs back animal-human embryo research
Nov 02, 2008 02:19 PM
by Morten Nymann Olesen
Dear John
Thank you for your answer.
My issue with the Disclosure Project, Steven Greer and the people behind it is, that according to my view, there are wat to many welleducated, and persons known to be sane, who claim that they have seen something, or have been told something from various independant sources about this issue. Persons like Former Canadian Defence Minister Paul Hellyer,
Dr. Edgar Mitchell, Jesse Marcell, John Callahan - Former FAA Division Chief, Jimmy Carter, Ronald Regan, and Rockefeller. And as long as cropcircles are real, and the fact that former astronauts, ministers, presidents, who say they have seen - something, - I find the present attitude in variouse governments quite strange - if not out of line with normal reactions to such a situation.
A question:
Can we in a certain say, that the UFO's and Aliens in our day are equvalent to the Mahatma Letters in 19th century?
And what can we learn from this?
Should we ignore the fact that numerous persons have seen SOMETHING?
M. Sufilight
----- Original Message -----
From: Augoeides-222@comcast.net
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 10:51 PM
Subject: Re: Theos-World British MPs back animal-human embryo research
Morten,
The "CARET" Technology is completely independent of Whitley Streiber. It was posted and publicizes by an anonymous man calling himself "Isaac" who claims that he worked in the Northern Calififornia Bay arera for a Company that had a secret Project. He posted many photographs and pages of enigmatic information online and promised to publish additional materials randomly. The CARET objects have been photographed and video taped in several different locations in multiple States here in the USA. There are many speculations in all directions about what they are, where they come from, who is source for them. It is uncertain at this date. But they are interesting.
Whitley Streiber had a series on Alien encounters over a considerable period of time in which he was taken by the Grays, the short little aliens similar to the ones in the Betty and Barney Hill Encounters, the are alleged to come from the star Zeta Reticuli. Not all Grays come from the same star system though.
Streiber was a Fiction Writer and wrote Novels like "Wolfen" before his Encounters with the Grays. After his primary encounters he authored "Communion" which tells what happened to him, how he was handled and psychologized, underwent examinations by them. He wrote of his state of mind, his emotional distress, how it effected his life and relations with his wife, family, friends and colleges.
Later a movie based on Communion was released but it was not faithful to his own version, they held Propietory License for the "Treatment" which allowed them to change the real facts.
Yes , he is Catholic and I do recall he has made some mention of Gurdjieff. He was a website online which he created after buying the Rights to the "Dreamland" name from Art Bell the previous
Radio Host who had been for 20 years on Coasttocoastam.com. Google "Whitley Streiber" . Art Bell's regular Sunday Radio Show was named "Dreamland" and it was very, very poplular. Dreamland is also one the names used for "Area 51".
As far as I know Dr. Greer has not been a Theosophist formally.
Regards,
John
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-theosophy@stofanet.dk>
Is there a clear connection between Withley Strieber and the CARET programe on one hand and the Disclosure Project and Steven Greer on the other?
Is it not true that Withley Strieber is a Roman Catholic with Gurdjieff leanings?
- - -
I asked you: Is Steven Greer at theosophist working for the Masters from your point of view?
M. Sufilight
----- Original Message -----
From: Anton Rozman
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 4:03 PM
Subject: Re: Theos-World British MPs back animal-human embryo research
Dear Morten and all,
Here is an interview about the influence of released information on
the public from the perspective of one of the bestselling novelists
Whitley Streiber:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYuGRLfn2tU
And here a piece of suppressed technology:
http://isaaccaret.fortunecity.com/
Warmest regards,
Anton
--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-
theosophy@...> wrote:
>
> Thank you for your answer.
>
> Anton wrote:
> "They are for sure acquainted with the latest fashion."
>
> LOL.
>
>
> Have any of you tried:
> "ET Contact: Dr. Steven Greer Pt.1 - Pt.12"
> (12 short videos with an Interview about Steven Greer's giving his
own biography and work. His out-of-body-experiences as well as zero-
point energy talks etc. etc.) ?
> www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0aw64jvyF0
> or
www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/9801/ET_Contact__Dr__Steven_Greer_Pt_
1/
>
>
> Or his book: "Hidden Truth - Forbidden Knowledge" ?
>
> Is he really a theosophist or working for the masters?
>
> M. Sufilight
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Anton Rozman
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 9:23 AM
> Subject: Re: Theos-World British MPs back animal-human embryo
research
>
>
> Thanks John,
>
> Good footages. I already see the last one as Aviano is only about
150
> km from my home. In the period February-April 1997 there were
more
> then 150 sightings in that area. This footage from July 1997 was
sent
> anonymously to ufo specialist, professor Chiumento. He comments
on
> the TV - below link
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBJNqwe6LHY
>
> that it is too clear to be true and that in such circumstances
> interviews with witnesses are most important confirmation act of
> authenticity. There are rumors that it was done by Italian
military
> to actually cover up the real activity there. And as this video
was
> very much promoted on Silvio Berlusconi's TV "Italia Uno" these
> rumors are probably true.
>
> There are a lot of NASA footages made by Shuttle outside earth
> atmosphere and one can see that there is almost such traffic as
on
> the Frankfurt airport.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0jpUPLqLhA
>
> Therefore theosophical perspective of Mahatmas as still wearing
> turbans and living in Tibetan valley is from my perspective a
little
> outdated. They are for sure acquainted with the latest fashion.
>
> And Morten, yes, UN would be most probably the best place for the
> Disclosure.
>
> Warmest regards,
> Anton
>
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Augoeides-222@ wrote:
> >
> > Morten, Anton,
> > Well I think a short frolic in the sudsy giddy realm of UFO's
> and such might be in order in regard to recent comments so I here
> post three excellent UFO Video's for perusal 1 Italian and 2
Turkish:
> >
> > Rize' deki Shapshifter forest UFO Turkey
> >
> > >>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5W3buftf9o<<<
> >
> > Sirius UFO Center Video Turkey (you may use the "magnifier" at
the
> bottom right corner on the Windows Taskbar to enlarge to 200 %
and it
> will not interfere with the Video play)
> >
> > >>>http://www.siriusufo.org/tr/?
> fx=sayfa_ac&url=html/english/kumburgaz_2008.asp<<<
> >
> > Italian River UFO (this possibly man made Technology object was
not
> far from Aviano AFB where the USA has a large presence)
> >
> > >>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdyQu5Zx8xw&feature=related<<<
> >
> > Enjoy, regards,
> > John
> >
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-theosophy@>
> > Dear Anton and all readers
> >
> > My views are:
> >
> > The issue Extra Sensory Perception (clairvoyance, telepathy,
> precognition etc.)
> > seem quite often to be the most important one to tackle when
one
> deals with Ufos, aliens and various socalled governmental
projects.
> >
> > I said in the earlier email:
> > Saying that no people at all in power structures like
political,
> military, security agencies, journalism etc etc. are not
seriously
> considering the possiblity of extrasensory perception
(clairvoyance,
> telepathy, precognition etc.) being something actual and REAL is
of
> course wrong.
> >
> > This leads to the question:
> > Why are not more leaders in the power structure coming - more -
> forward about this quite - important issue?
> > (The United Nations could be a good place to start.) Important
> because of various reasons. There are what some will
call "security
> issues" involved. There are the huge the shift in thought
patterns to
> concider among politicians, journalists, and people in general if
> this issue should prove it self to be true. And when we know,
that a
> great percentage of this planets population - especially in
western
> countries - are interested in the subject, the questions seem
quite
> natural to forward. I believe that in the spiritual countries
India
> and Tibet they find Extra Sensory Perception to be as natural as
> breathing the air.
> >
> > As long as various governments and countries for years have
been
> funding projects to research the issue, the question seem to be
of
> importance.
> > We know, that a Dog for instances can smell and hear on a
level,
> ordinary humans cannot.
> > We have microscopes, telescopes, radio telescopes (SETI),
hearing
> aids, glasses etc. We know, that various animals very easily can
find
> their way home when compared to humans stranded in the wild. We
know,
> that a great number of species never kill each other and that
they
> are peaceful vegetarians, who are not polluting the planet.
> >
> > M. Sufilight
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Anton Rozman
> > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 12:14 PM
> > Subject: Re: Theos-World British MPs back animal-human embryo
> research
> >
> > >So why are they - so very much - reluctant in using time on
the
> > issue except because of religious reasons - known as the Bible
and
> > fanatical views or egotism?<
> >
> > Dear Morten,
> >
> > I don't know if I fully understand your question. It is now
known
> > that intelligence community and still more secret agencies
around
> the
> > world ran several secret projects on these topics and that
findings
> > were and are amply used in various fields mainly to present to
the
> > people a reality they want that people see. You can not expect
that
> > they will come forward saying: We are fooling you!
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Anton
> >
> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen"
<global-
> > theosophy@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear Anton
> > >
> > >
> > > My views are:
> > >
> > > Anton wrote:
> > > "I wonder what impact has these stories on the
> > > American public. "
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks. I find this to be a good question.
> > >
> > > Saying that no people at all in power structures like
political,
> > military, security agencies, journalism etc etc. are not
seriously
> > considering the possiblity of extrasensory perception
> (clairvoyance,
> > telepathy, precognition etc.) being something actual and REAL
is of
> > course wrong. So why are they - so very much - reluctant in
using
> > time on the issue except because of religious reasons - known
as
> the
> > Bible and fanatical views or egotism?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > M. Sufilight
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Anton Rozman
> > > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 7:13 AM
> > > Subject: Re: Theos-World British MPs back animal-human embryo
> > research
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi John,
> > >
> > > It seems that Dr. Greer has somehow stopped his activity as I
> > don't
> > > see any new things on Disclosure Project web site for a long
> > time.
> > >
> > > Governments in Europe and Russia are now disclosing
classified
> > > documents but it seems that USA have developed most advanced
> > projects
> > > out of contacts. And I think that the most important aspect
of
> > this
> > > whole story is suppressed technology. It would radically
change
> > the
> > > world. There are rumors that it will be gradually realesed in
> > next
> > > years.
> > >
> > > I have heard some interviews on Coasttocoast and time to time
I
> > visit
> > > the web site and I wonder what impact has these stories on
the
> > > American public.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Anton
> > >
> > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Augoeides-222@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Anton,
> > > > Yes, I am well aware of the topic of governmental secrecy
> > having
> > > had a interest as well as experience for decades here in the
USA
> > as
> > > regards UFO and Paranormal events. In one TV Production I
made I
> > used
> > > the Magic Papers in certain parts just to expose people to it
who
> > > would view the program. Dr. Steven Greer worked for years to
> > > assemble a large congregation of Military, Scientists,
> > > Professionals, Airline Pilots and many Witnesses. His
objective
> > was
> > > to have our Congress open Hearings and give serious review of
the
> > > assembled evidences. The problem is that it will it seems
never
> > > happen. As long as a certain Senator Orrin Hatch of the State
of
> > Utah
> > > Chairs the Justice Committee in the U. S. Senate. he
adamantly
> > > refuses to even entertain the proposal and even said "Over my
> > dead
> > > body" before it will happen! That was more than a decade ago
and
> > he
> > > is still in Office.
> > > >
> > > > In our lower body, the House I think a single Hearing did
take
> > > place many years ago to no avail of the cause of openness and
> > > honesty in regards to UFO's. Several major Politicians did
> > attempt to
> > > find the truth about government withholding of information.
Sen.
> > > Barry Goldwater of Arizona holding strong Chairmanship in the
> > Senate
> > > even went to Wright-Patterson AFB and was repelled at gun
point
> > when
> > > he insisted upon entering the legendary Hangar 18. President
> > Jimmy
> > > Carter made public promise to do all he could do to get the
> > > information made public. He was instructed he did not possess
> > > the "Need to Know" and had insufficient clearance to allow
him to
> > be
> > > briefed on what they denied they had.
> > > > And Area 51and all the rumors cannot be placed in the open
> > > sunshine.
> > > >
> > > > Probably the most listened to radio talk on UFO comes from
> > > http://coasttocoastam.com which has a listenership of about
40
> > > million each night. 7 days a week. Much of it isaboutr UFO's,
> > > Experiencers, Paramormal and many other unique subjects with
a
> > > plethora of popular guests. Tonight 10-24-08 the Guest Host
for
> > the
> > > Program is Whitley Streiber who wrote the famous
> > book "Communion."
> > > It was the vehicle for his own personal experiance with the
> > > extraterrestials.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > John
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > usa as regards ufo
> > > >
> > > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > > From: "Anton Rozman" <anton_rozman@>
> > > > Hi John,
> > > >
> > > > Thank you very much for your views.
> > > >
> > > > In my opinion the key information here is that there exists
one
> > > > another reality which was purposely hidden from us by our
> > > governments
> > > > and controlled agencies and media. So, it is up to
courageous
> > > > insiders to provide us their perspective on what is really
> > going
> > > on,
> > > > while it is up to each of us to form our own understanding
> > > comparing
> > > > various sources. It is really good training to keep one's
mind
> > open.
> > > >
> > > > You can find inteviews with very reliable people on:
> > > > http://www.projectcamelot.org/
> > > >
> > > > But, in my view, even more important message for us as
> > theosophists
> > > > in this interview is that there are going on important
changes
> > on
> > > > this world and that we can largely contribute that the
passage
> > will
> > > > be less painful and more peaceful. If we will be able to
solve
> > our
> > > > inner disagreements in a fraternal, constructive and
innovative
> > > > manner we will do our best service to the humanity.
> > > >
> > > > Warmest regards,
> > > > Anton
> > > >
> > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Augoeides-222@ wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Anton
> > > > > Well Bob Dean is a relatively respected personage in the
UFO
> > > > Arena but I can't see the basis for Nibiru as he speaks of
it
> > in
> > > > present time. There are so many Astronomical Observatory's
in
> > many
> > > > different nations, some of which would not necessarily
squash
> > > > knowledge of the presence of Niburu as related by Bob Dean
and
> > > would
> > > > surely make public announcement.
> > > > > There is according to Paval Smutny a former NASA Space
> > > > Scientist, who specialized in Deep Space Communication and
> > Orbital
> > > > Mechanics as his primary NASA work an ancient record that
> > describes
> > > > it. He, in his personal studies relates a history of Nibiru
> > > > (Nemesis, Phaeton, 12th Planet etc.) where it only makes a
> > close
> > > > approach proximate to the Earth a small number of times in
> > every
> > > > Solar Year (25,920 Years ( or 1 Cycle of the
Constellational
> > > Zodiac).
> > > > Pavel Smutny now lives in Slovakia if I recall correctly.
If
> > you
> > > > Google his name you will find his several websites that
related
> > his
> > > > findings in regard to Nibiru. Also Google Dendara and the
> > Senmut
> > > > Temple, and The Darmer Pallete. In his description he
extracts
> > from
> > > > the Egyptian record the approach , path and periodocity of
the
> > 12th
> > > > Planet. He has, in my view one of the most interesting
study to
> > > show
> > > > actual 12th Planet supported by alledged knowledge of the
> > ancients
> > > > which he thoroughly diagrammatically presents on his
webpages.
> > > > >
> > > > > I in my own view, have entertained a possibility that the
> > 12th
> > > > Planet may have made close approach during the second
middle
> > period
> > > > of Tiahuanacu (15,450 BC ) as Bellamy and Allen have shown
the
> > > > catastrophic record of the passage engravened upon the
andesite
> > > > artifacts of Tiahuanacu. This occasion set in the mind of
man a
> > > > subconscious memory of the traumatic terror that prevailed
> > > > consequential to the passage and capture of one of the 12th
> > Planets
> > > > Minor satellites and it's eventual disintetagration and
rain of
> > > it's
> > > > pieces on the earth and is portrayed as the celestial
dragon
> > > belching
> > > > fire and brimstone in the sky. The story of Osiris's battle
> > with
> > > > Typhon (the forces of space) and his being dismembered and
his
> > body
> > > > parts scattered on the earth, with the lamenting Isis
unable to
> > > find
> > > > his "organ" of regeneration (the core of the minor
satellite
> > the
> > > fled
> > > > into space when relieved of it's outer shells during the
> > > catastrophe.
> > > > Osiris was a Lunar Diety figure of the Egyptians..
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > > John
> > > > >
> > > > > PS: Thanks for the Bob Dean links for his interview
videos.
> > > > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > > > From: "Anton Rozman" <anton_rozman@>
> > > > > Hi all,
> > > > >
> > > > > Maybe here is a little bigger picture:
> > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbgHyrmgRZM
> > > > >
> > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > Anton
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Cass Silva
<silva_cass@>
> > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Also it will prove that we are the ancestors of the
apes
> > and
> > > not
> > > > > the other way around - can you expand on the heliosphere
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cass
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > > From: Martin <Mvandertak@>
> > > > > > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, 23 October, 2008 7:03:37 PM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Theos-World British MPs back animal-human
> > embryo
> > > > > research
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I wonder if the Solar Lords will dig this, they didn't
in
> > > > > Atlantis...the sun is btw very quiet at the moment and
its
> > > > > heliosphere has shrunk more than 25% the last 25
years...this
> > > could
> > > > > mean part destruction of this earth by cosmic fire.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- On Thu, 10/23/08, nhcareyta <nhcareyta@yahoo.
com.au>
> > wrote:
> > > > > > From: nhcareyta <nhcareyta@yahoo. com.au>
> > > > > > Subject: Theos-World British MPs back animal-human
embryo
> > > research
> > > > > > To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
> > > > > > Date: Thursday, October 23, 2008, 4:49 AM
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Britain's lower house of parliament has approved
> > legislation
> > > > > allowing
> > > > > >
> > > > > > scientists to create animal-human embryos for medical
> > research,
> > > > in
> > > > > >
> > > > > > the biggest shake-up of embryology laws in two decades.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Despite opposition from religious and pro-life groups,
MPs
> > in
> > > the
> > > > > >
> > > > > > House of Commons today backed the Human Embryology and
> > > > > Fertilisation
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Bill by 355 votes to 129.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It will now go to a vote in the House of Lords, and
could
> > be
> > > law
> > > > by
> > > > > >
> > > > > > November.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The wide-ranging bill, which has been debated for
months,
> > would
> > > > > also
> > > > > >
> > > > > > allow "saviour siblings" - children created as a close
> > genetic
> > > > > match
> > > > > >
> > > > > > for a sick brother or sister so their genetic material
can
> > help
> > > > > treat
> > > > > >
> > > > > > them.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In addition, it gives lesbians and single women easier
> > access
> > > to
> > > > in-
> > > > > >
> > > > > > vitro fertilisation (IVF) treatment by removing
> > requirements
> > > for
> > > > > >
> > > > > > clinics to consider a child's need for a father.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Health Minister Dawn Primarolo told MPs the bill was
about
> > > > helping
> > > > > >
> > > > > > the one in seven couples who needed fertility
assistance,
> > and
> > > > about
> > > > > >
> > > > > > research to deal with diseases such as Alzheimer's,
which
> > > affects
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 350,000 Britons.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hybrid embryos, created by inserting the nuclei of a
human
> > cell
> > > > > into
> > > > > >
> > > > > > an animal egg, can ensure a more plentiful supply of
stem
> > cells
> > > > for
> > > > > >
> > > > > > use in research into treating conditions like
Alzheimer's
> > and
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Parkinson's.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "It is about research to deal with the dreadful
diseases
> > and
> > > the
> > > > > >
> > > > > > debilitating attacks on their health from which many in
our
> > > > society
> > > > > >
> > > > > > suffer," the minister told MPs.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "The bill is about combining science with an ethical
> > framework
> > > > that
> > > > > >
> > > > > > works on behalf of humankind."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Prime Minister Gordon Brown is a strong defender of the
> > > measures,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > saying Britain owes it to future generations. His son
> > Fraser
> > > has
> > > > > >
> > > > > > cystic fibrosis, a disease that could one day benefit
from
> > > embryo
> > > > > >
> > > > > > research.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > However, 16 MPs from his ruling Labour party, including
> > former
> > > > > >
> > > > > > minister Ruth Kelly, a staunch Catholic who quit the
> > government
> > > > > this
> > > > > >
> > > > > > month, voted against the bill and religious groups
warned
> > it
> > > was
> > > > > the
> > > > > >
> > > > > > next step on a "slippery slope".
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Nadine Dorries, a member of the opposition Conservative
> > Party,
> > > > told
> > > > > >
> > > > > > her fellow MPs that loopholes in the legislation raised
the
> > > > > >
> > > > > > possibility of scientists attempting cross-breeding
between
> > > > humans
> > > > > >
> > > > > > and animals.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Of all the experimental possibilities debated in the
> > course of
> > > > > this
> > > > > >
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