Theos-Talk Archives (October 2008 Message tt00912)

It's ok John, our Lipika's have compromised :-)
However concerning the subject, in which you gloriously apologize, I can tell you, you are the first ever to apologize a wrongdoing to me, so you have showed me here that not all people are always putting their shit on scapegoats and sineaters. Patience has always taught me just insight and will continue to do so; maybe one day when I look back I can see where I made the mistake to provoke you saying such a thing in public to me. The computerage has a drawback, you can't up/download love nor mercy :-)

--- On Mon, 10/27/08, Augoeides-222@comcast.net <Augoeides-222@comcast.net> wrote:
From: Augoeides-222@comcast.net <Augoeides-222@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Theos-World The Peopling of the Earth:  Anthropogenic Stanzas of Dzyan
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, October 27, 2008, 6:58 PM










    
            Martin,

  At least thats the way I recall it, my recall may be dim as I don't stay attached to things. Basically the retorts I made covered many invented distortions of reality that were circulated outside of this Forum  which I listed.That was my focus. Political Groups circulate poison and others consume it.  The 911 Terrorist Attacks were just that "Terrorist Attacks" and not a conspiracy of the American Government to attack itself or it's people. I remain as I previously stated when I itemized what 911 was not. What I have objection to is willfull circulation of entirely malicious wrongful lies to take advantage of the harmed America during the sustained period. I personally object when it appears here on this Forum. It is inappropriate here in my personal view.There are dozens of Political Forums online. This Forum is about Theosophy. I don't recall what you said or if it echoed what Cass made comments on back then. Things are picked up by others who seem
 to have little care for the t

ruth. it is a form of malicious glee if you will that individuals and people partake of vicariously. 



It would be much better if certain things had never been said here as it is an unfair  abuse in my view to incite here because it places all of us in a conflicted state. To remain silent or to reply. I got tired of silence, because it apparently only encourages further abuse. And it helps make the lies and distortions seem true to the young and gullible.

  I have been here on this Forum since August 1999, I don't use it for political cage rattling. I used to subscribe to certain Yahoo Groups, two Political Rooms, a Buddhist Room, an Extraterrestial Room, and this Theosophical Group Forum. Each had a specific Focus. If you were able to read all the many posts I made you would find an absence of political content made by me in any context.



Regards,

John



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From: Augoeides-222@ comcast.net 

Martin,

Ok, thanks now I have a perception of what you meant. It seems you thought I meant you because I used your thread post to make a reply to another on the Forum who made certain offensive remarks that made me respond in a most rare context, in a way I almost am never seen to characterize. It wasn't addressed to you at all, I was responding to posts that Cass made about America. I apoligize for having caused you any angst.

All is well Sir.

Regards,

John



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From: Martin <Mvandertak@yahoo. com> 

Check out your last sentence here, projected on me :-)



Re: Theos-World Tesla/Keely 



Martin,



Find a good psychiatric resource. They weren't projections, it wasn't beamed



energy, it wasn't U. S. Navy bombers with missiles attached, it wasn't



predeployed explosives in the buildings, it wasn't the CIA, it wasn't a UFO, it



wasn't natural phenomena, it wasn't a conspiracy by the American Government, it



wasn't the Jews and the Builderbergers, it wasn't------ ----



Are you getting the message? Grow up and somehow become a Human being. How



easily you ignore the deaths of so many innocent wonderful productive people.



Shame on you and all your kind forever. You care nothing for the five Children's



Nursery's that were in the Twin Towers and the children who were murdered. You



care nothing for the hundreds of brave self-sacrificing Public Servants,



Firemen, Priests, Engineers,Professio nals in all walks of life. And you care



nothing for the passengers on the airplanes that were hijacked, The baby's,



children, husbands, wives, fathers, sisters, brothers, aunts and uncles and



cousins who all had their lives, their futures, their hopes and dreams, their



loves and all they cherish torn away without consent or agreement by the most



immoral degenerate foul pestilence on this earth. Over 500 Firemen died there



and they will forever be remembered by any good American and the larger part of



the rest of the world. Even in our enemies countries people wept w



hile you jumped in joy and grinned your evil smile how proud you must feel. 



Cantor Corp. in one of the two Towers lost 770 people who were all personal



friends and deeply loved by the Founder who hired all of them and cherished each



and every one of them.



It took years and billions of dollars to search and find the scattered torn



fragments of all the lost beloved people who perished in the Twin Towers.



Soulless and without merit is the cast you have found yourself in what hope do



you have?



John



--- On Mon, 10/27/08, Augoeides-222@ comcast.net <Augoeides-222@ comcast.net> wrote:

From: Augoeides-222@ comcast.net <Augoeides-222@ comcast.net>

Subject: Re: Theos-World The Peopling of the Earth: Anthropogenic Stanzas of Dzyan

To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com

Date: Monday, October 27, 2008, 10:36 AM



Daniel,



>>>They could only create, or rather clothe, the human Monads with their



own Astral Selves, but they could not make man in their image and



likeness. Their creating the semblance of men out of their own divine



Essence means, esoterically, that it is they who became the first



Race, and thus shared its destiny and further evolution. - II, pp. 94-



95, orig. ed; An Abridgement of The Secret Doctrine, p. 170<<<



In G.R.S. Mead's Gnostic Works there are portions in regards to "Sophia" (Wisdom) the Consort (fem.) of the Absolute (Masc.) who makes decision to "create" without the participation , consent, and agreement of the Father (The Absolute) in Unity. For the first time a creature was given birth without the consent and Unity. When she looked upon it she found it imperfect, mis-shapen, and ugly and she was ashamed of her action. She then Placed the "Abortion of Sophia" which had the head of a lion and body of a serpent in a cloud and removed it to a lower realm called the "The Waters of the Way of the Midst. There the Abortion named Yaldabaoth (Demiurgos) created seven Archons and established their rule. There came a time and one of the Archons exclaimed "Let us make a Man according to the image we saw reflected upon the Way of the Waters of the Midst! So they tried and tried and tried but the body called Adam remained asleep reclined against a Tree. Each

in turned tried it's particul



ar power to make Adam rise but none succeeded. Then by the operation and will of the Absolute the "Breath was breathed into Adam and he arose. The Archons and Yaldabaoth looked upon Adam and were filled with fear and hatred because they saw in Adam what could never be in them and knew Adam Superior to them and was made to rule them. Sophia by her action denied the breath of the Absolute to them. and they took common oaths to destroy Adam and his descendents.



This Gnostic teaching to me has some resemblance to "they could not make man in their image" so I thought to tell you.



BTW, 



I don't recall ever mentioning Eric von Daniken



I don't recall Morten menttioning him either



I don't remember Anton ever posting his name.



I don't recall Adelaise typing it either.



I don't have any recall on Chuck saying Eric Von Daniken.



I can't recover seeing Martin mention Von Daniken.



I have no memory of Cass posting on Von Daniken



In fact your the only one who mentioned Eric Von Daniken!



If none of us were followers of Eric Von Daniken which seems to be the case as none of any of us ever mentioned his name, then it follows that you must be the only "Follower" of Eric Von Daniken on this Forum. I never realized that before.



>>>So interesting is this "language of the



gods" that one is almost inclined to take a course in Sanskrit!)<< <



Hmmm, "Language of the Gods" is apriori the Title of one of Judith M. Tybergs Book "Language of the Gods" 1970, East-West Cultural Center. She must have read your thought in reverse time flow. She did just that!



2. "Sanskrit Keys to the Wisdom - Religion", 1940 by Judith M. Tyberg, 163 pages



Regards,



John



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From: "danielhcaldwell" <danielhcaldwell@ yahoo.com> 



Geoffrey A. Barborka is known for his lucid and profound expositions



on The Secret Doctrine philosophy, and this latest work of his will



be a valuable addition to the library of every Theosophical student.



The Peopling of the Earth: A Commentary on Archaic Records in The



Secret Doctrine, by Geoffrey A. Barborka. The Theosophical Publishing



House, Wheaton, Illinois, 1975, 233 pages, index, Cloth.



It is a remarkable book, a commentary on the Anthropogenic Stanzas of



Dzyan (Numbers I through IV), throwing vivid light upon many obscure



and cryptic passages in the Stanzas and Commentaries.



Especially impressive are the chapters on "The Lunar Pitris" and "The



Lords of the Flame," those "Beings" known in The Secret Doctrine



under a multitude of names, many of which are Sanskrit. (As in



previous works, Mr. Barborka carefully explains all Sanskrit and



technical Theosophical terms. So interesting is this "language of the



gods" that one is almost inclined to take a course in Sanskrit!)



Who are these strange entities who played such an important role in



Man's evolution? The following excerpts from The Secret Doctrine give



some insight into this mysterious subject:



Concerning the Lunar Pitris:



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They could only create, or rather clothe, the human Monads with their



own Astral Selves, but they could not make man in their image and



likeness. Their creating the semblance of men out of their own divine



Essence means, esoterically, that it is they who became the first



Race, and thus shared its destiny and further evolution. - II, pp. 94-



95, orig. ed; An Abridgement of The Secret Doctrine, p. 170



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On the Solar Pitris, the Lords of the Flame:



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These are ... those 'Flames' (the Agnishwatta) who, as shown in Sloka



13, 'remain behind' instead of going along with the others (the Lunar



Pitris) to create men on Earth. But the true esoteric meaning is that



most of them (Lords of the Flame) were destined to incarnate as the



Egos of the forthcoming crop of mankind. - II, 79; Abridgment, 166



The Fall was the result of man's knowledge, for his 'eyes were



opened.' Indeed, he was taught Wisdom and the hidden knowledge by



the 'Fallen Angel', for the latter had become from that day his



Manas, Mind and Self-Consciousness. .. Satan, or the Red Fiery Dragon,



the 'Lord of Phosphorous' ... and Lucifer or 'Light-Bearer, ' is in



us: it is our Mind - our tempter and Redeemer, our intelligent



liberator and Savior from pure animalism. Without this principle -



the emanation of the very essence of the pure divine principle Mahat



(Intelligence) , which radiates direct from the Divine mind - we would



be surely no better than animals. - II, 513



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Mr. Barborka also dispels several misconceptions which have crept



into the original teachings and have been prevalent in some



Theosophical circles for years. Concerning one of these he says:



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Whence came the Lords of the Flame? A question which has been raised



concerning the coming of the Lords of the Flame to the Earth from



Venus. In all probability this assumption was



formulated because of a statement made in a Commentary from the Book



of Dzyan that each one of the Seven Root-Races comes under the



regency of one of the Seven Sacred Planets. The Dhyani of Venus is



the Regent of the Third Root-Race, and it was during the fifth sub-



race of the Third Root-Race that the enlightenment of humanity was



brought about by the Lords of the Flame ... They are said to have



come down into the present sphere because of having descended from a



superior sphere of the Earth planetary system. - pp. 170-71



------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ----



It is hoped that some of Erich Von Daniken's readers and followers



will read Peopling of the Earth. Admittedly, Von Daniken's Chariots



of the Gods contains a few gems of truth concerning man's origin and



evolution on this planet, but Chariots embodies an extremely naive,



garbled, and materialistic interpretation of the ancient myths and



legends concerning man's origin and relationship to the "gods". The



Secret Doctrine and The Peopling of the Earth are on a totally



superior plane.



Special attention should be given to the last chapter which deals



with "The Chronology of the Peopling of the Earth." Specific figures



for the time-periods of the Rounds, Races and Sub-Races are given.



This chronology is based upon an unfinished article written by H.P.B.



but not published during her life, entitled "On Cosmic Cycles,



Manvantaras and Rounds", which will appear in Vol. XIII of her



Collected Writings. The interested student might compare this



chronology with the "Dzyan Chronology" discovered and worked out by



Victor A. Endersby, another deep student of H.P.B.'s teachings. (See



June 1974 issue of Theosophical Notes, P.O. Box 427, Napa, California



94558. See also Jean Raymond's article "The Evolutionary Cycles and



Their Chronology" in the book H.P. Blavatsky and the Secret Doctrine



edited by Virginia Hanson; and also Elizabeth W. Preston's The Earth



and Its Cycles and The Story of Creation and of Man.)



We hope Mr. Barborka will write another book embodying a commentary



on the remaining Stanzas (Nos. V through XII). In the meantime The



Peopling of the Earth will help many sincere and earnest students of



Theosophy digest and make fuller use of H.P. Blavatsky's magnum opus.



- Daniel H. Caldwell



[Reprinted from THE ECLECTIC THEOSOPHIST, No. 34, May 15, 1976, pp. 6-



7.]



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