Theos-Talk Archives (October 2008 Message tt00878)

Daniel,
I wonder how you and Pedro can say Leadbeater was wrong about Mars and
Mercury.
Here are the passages from Blavatsky's writing.
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"For even great adepts (those initiated of course), trained seers
though they are, can claim thorough acquaintance with the nature and
appearance of planets and their inhabitants belonging to our solar
system only. They know that almost all the planetary worlds are inhabited"

"Still the fact remains that most of the planets, as the stars beyond
our system, are inhabited, a fact which has been admitted by the men
of science themselves. Laplace and Herschell believed it, though they
wisely abstained from imprudent speculation; and the same conclusion
has been worked out and supported with an array of scientific
considerations by C. Flammarion, the well-known French Astronomer."

"Thus scientific reasoning, as well as observed facts, concur with the
statements of the seer and the innate voice in man's own heart in
declaring that life -- intelligent, conscious life -- must exist on
other worlds than ours."
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To a considerable extent Blavatsky's writing supports Leadbeater's
claims of life and habitation on Mars and Mercury. Blavatsky did not
describe in detail the life of people on Mars and Mercury. Because of
it, it is not possible to prove Leadbeater's in detail observation was
wrong by comparing it with Blavatsky's writing.

Anand Gholap



--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Anand" <AnandGholap@...> wrote:
>
> It is true that at the time of Master's visit Leadbeater was not
> clairvoyant. But later he became clairvoyant, and could verify whether
> that was real Master's visit. That is why many years later when Mr.
> Leadbeater wrote book, he could confidently tell it was Master.
> 
> Anand Gholap
> 
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Anand" <AnandGholap@> wrote:
> >
> > C.W. Leadbeater was reliable clairvoyant, most of the times.. So he
> > knew if the real Master visited him or just the form created by
> > somebody else. Suppose Blavatsky had created Master's form, or visited
> > herself in Master's form, C. W. Leadbeater would have known it. But as
> > C. W. Leadbeater considered Master's visits genuine, they are perhaps
> > not "forged visits", like some others might have experienced.
> > In Ramayana, an Indian classic, Ravana (the devil), visits Sita
> > (Rama's wife), in the form of a monk and then kidnaps her. This shows
> > that it is not impossible to appear to others in different form.
> > 
> > Anand Gholap
> > 
> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "danielhcaldwell"
> > <danielhcaldwell@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Anand,
> > > 
> > > In your recent reply, you do NOT actually respond to what I wrote 
> > > about C.W. Leadbeater's testimony in which he says he
encountered the 
> > > Master K.H. and also Djwal Kul at Adyar in the mid-1880s.
> > > 
> > > Therefore I repeat below the gist of what I said in my  posting 
> > > CONCERNING C.W. LEADBEATER'S TESTIMONY CONCERNING MEETINGS WITH THE 
> > > MASTERS AT ADYAR.
> > > 
> > > First consider Leadbeater's account:
> > > 
> > > --------------------------------------------------------------
> > > ...When Colonel Olcott left us [in 1885] on his tour Adyar
> > > [headquarters of the Theosophical Society near Madras, India]
> > > remained empty....
> > > 
> > > One day, however, when the Master Kuthumi honoured me with a visit,
> > > He asked me whether I had ever attempted a certain kind of
meditation
> > > connected with the development of the mysterious power called
> > > kundalini....He recommended me to make a few efforts along certain
> > > lines....
> > > 
> > > Naturally I took the hint, and worked away steadily, and I think I
> > > may say intensely, at that particular kind of meditation day after
> > > day....
> > > 
> > > ....It will be understood that I lived there in the octagonal
room by
> > > the river-side alone for many long hours every day, and practically
> > > secure from any interruption except at the meal-times which I have
> > > mentioned. Several Masters were so gracious as to visit me during
> > > that period and to offer me various hints; but it was the Master
> > > Djwal Kul who gave most of the necessary instruction....
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------
> > > Excerpted from "How Theosophy Came to Me by C.W. Leadbeater".
> > > 
> > > Now if the reader will remember in the last week I've quoted
probably
> > > more than a dozen accounts of OTHER individuals meeting the Masters:
> > > Olcott, Damodar, Brown, Pillai, Ramaswamier, and others. And yet for
> > > reasons best known to Anand, he wrote the following:
> > > 
> > > -------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > �I think it was possible for HPB to create a form of the Master,
show
> > > that form to people, and MAKING THEM FEEL that Master had visited
> > > them or met them. This I am giving you as one possibility behind
> > > seeing Master physically or astrally.
> > > 
> > > Just as Blavatsky could materialize letters, perhaps she could also
> > > create a form of the Master, GIVING THE IMPRESSION to concerned
> > > individuals that Master visited them and gave letter.
> > > 
> > > �I think, TRUE RESEARCHERS�will consider seriously [this
possibility]
> > > before concluding that REAL Master visited those individuals....
> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > 
> > > caps added.
> > > 
> > > So let us consider Anand's explanation:  HPB was simply up to 
> > > her "devious" ways -- fooling Mr. Leadbeater, MAKING HIM FEEL that 
> > > the Master KH had visited him. She simply created the form of the 
> > > Master --- and gave Mr. Leadbeater THE IMPRESSION that the
Master had 
> > > visited him.
> > > 
> > > Remember that in the Lahore incident that I previouly cited the
> > > Master KH came three times to see Colonel Olcott but that testimony 
> > > didn't stop Anand from bringing up this  possibility and 
> > > encouraging "true researchers" to consider this possibility of HPB 
> > > creating the whole thing using her psychic powers.
> > > 
> > > So if the 1883 Lahore incident of meeting the Masters was "created" 
> > > by HPB long distance, why not say that HPB also created the 
> > > appearances of the Masters to Leadbeater at Adyar????
> > > 
> > > Daniel
> > > http://hpb.cc
> > >
> >
>