Theos-Talk Archives (October 2008 Message tt00779)

Daniel,
I never said Masters don't exist. If Masters don't not exist, then
Theosophy, whether Blavatsky's or Leadbeater's becomes false.
I recommend books of Leadbeater because they are more accurate in my
opinion. 
In think, Blavatsky perhaps made some big mistakes in her work and
writing. Her attempt to help Theosophical cause was honest effort to
help the world, although some blunders she might have made.

Anand Gholap


--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "danielhcaldwell"
<danielhcaldwell@...> wrote:
>
> I give below several quotes collated from several of Anand's postings.
> 
> I ask the interested subscribers to read them again and then 
> following those quotes consider a few other Mahatma letters and one 
> particular account and testimony:
> 
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> Blavatsky materialized her own words in the handwriting of the 
> Masters, signed them with Masters' names and then told that they were 
> Mahatma letters. In today's world this would be called as PLAIN 
> FORGERY.  It is like X writing something, imitating Y's handwriting, 
> and signing it as Y.  This is actually AN OFFENSE.
> 
> In reality authenticity of those [Mahatma] letters through Blavatsky 
> is QUESTIONABLE?.Blavatsky was in even more advantageous position 
> because she could materialize any letter, and bring content into it 
> that could support her own views?. She could materialize any thought 
> she wanted in Master's handwriting and sign it with Master's name.
> 
> And to support Blavatsky's own opinions, she materialized Mahatma 
> Letters carrying her own thoughts. ?.many of the Mahatma Letters were 
> not having thoughts of the Masters, but were carrying thoughts of 
> Blavatsky PRETENDING to be thoughts of Masters.
> 
> Mahatma Letters were precipitated. Blavatsky's being away from Bombay
> or Adyar NEED NOT BLOCK HER CAPACITY to produce phenomena at places
> where she was not.
> 
> ?I think it was possible for HPB to create a form of the Master, show 
> that form to people, and MAKING THEM FEEL that Master had visited 
> them or met them. This I am giving you as one possibility behind 
> seeing Master physically or astrally.
> 
> Just as Blavatsky could materialize letters, perhaps she could also
> create a form of the Master, GIVING THE IMPRESSION to concerned
> individuals that Master visited them and gave letter.
> 
> ?I think, TRUE RESEARCHERS?will consider seriously before concluding 
> that REAL Master visited those individuals and handed over letters.
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> caps added
> 
> Now I want to point out to the reader that in previous months and 
> previous years on Theos-Talk, Anand has made other comments about 
> certain Mahatma letters.
> 
> In one posting, Anand wrote:
> 
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> Leadbeater's Master (K.H.) wrote in June 1886 to him " I am pleased
> with you"
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> 
> And in another posting Anand told readers:
> 
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> Master K.H. wrote to Mr. Leadbeater "I am pleased with you" All three 
> letters from Master K.H. to Mr. Leadbeter can be read at
> http://www.anandgholap.net/KH_Letter_To_CWL.htm
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> First a little background.  The KH 1886 note is to be found on a 
> letter written by HPB and sent from Europe to Mr. Leadbeater in 
> Ceylon.
> 
> The KH quote is part of a brief annotation added to HPB's letter.
> 
> Why does Anand say in these two postings that "Leadbeater's Master 
> (K.H.) wrote..."  and "Master K.H. wrote..."???
> 
> In light of what Anand writes in the quotes I've given at the 
> beginning of this posting, isn't it possible that in fact HPB simply 
> wrote the KH note?  The note wasn't written by KH, wasn't from KH.  
> But instead --- as Anand contends in other instances ---- the note is 
> simply "carrying thoughts of Blavatsky PRETENDING to be thoughts of 
> Masters."
> 
> And in regards to the other 2 KH letters to C.W. Leadbeater which 
> Anand refers to --- which were received in England, one of them 
> materialized in the palm of HPB and the other one received thru the 
> mail in England --- in light of what Anand is contending (see quotes 
> above), isn't it also possible that these 2 letters aren't from a 
> Master K.H.?  Certainly if we accept Anand's way of thinking then the 
> 3 letters are just "plain forgeries" (AN OFFENSE!!!) simply "carrying 
> thoughts of Blavatsky PRETENDING to be thoughts of Masters."
> 
> Or as Anand also phrases it:  "In reality authenticity of those 
> [Mahatma] letters through Blavatsky is QUESTIONABLE...."
> 
> And now consider C.W. Leadbeater's testimony as to encountering the 
> Master K.H. and Djwal Kul at Adyar.  First Leadbeater's account:
> 
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> ...When Colonel Olcott left us [in 1885] on his tour Adyar 
> [headquarters of the Theosophical Society near Madras, India] 
> remained empty....
> 
> One day, however, when the Master Kuthumi honoured me with a visit, 
> He asked me whether I had ever attempted a certain kind of meditation 
> connected with the development of the mysterious power called 
> kundalini....He recommended me to make a few efforts along certain 
> lines.... 
> 
> Naturally I took the hint, and worked away steadily, and I think I 
> may say intensely, at that particular kind of meditation day after 
> day....
> 
> ....It will be understood that I lived there in the octagonal room by 
> the river-side alone for many long hours every day, and practically 
> secure from any interruption except at the meal-times which I have 
> mentioned. Several Masters were so gracious as to visit me during 
> that period and to offer me various hints; but it was the Master 
> Djwal Kul who gave most of the necessary instruction....
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> Excerpted from "How Theosophy Came to Me by C.W. Leadbeater".
> 
> Now if readers will remember in the last week I've quoted probably 
> more than a dozen accounts of OTHER individuals meeting the Masters:  
> Olcott, Damodar, Brown, Pillai, Ramaswamier, and others.  And yet for 
> reasons best known to Anand, he wrote the following:
> 
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> ?I think it was possible for HPB to create a form of the Master, show 
> that form to people, and MAKING THEM FEEL that Master had visited 
> them or met them. This I am giving you as one possibility behind 
> seeing Master physically or astrally.
> 
> Just as Blavatsky could materialize letters, perhaps she could also
> create a form of the Master, GIVING THE IMPRESSION to concerned
> individuals that Master visited them and gave letter.
> 
> ?I think, TRUE RESEARCHERS?will consider seriously [this possibility] 
> before concluding that REAL Master visited those individuals....
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> So if this is possible, why isn't it just as possible for Mr. 
> Leadbeater meeting Masters at Adyar??????
> 
> HPB was simply up to her ways -- devious or not --- fooling Mr. 
> Leadbeater, MAKING HIM FEEL that the Master KH had visited him. She 
> simply created the form of the Master --- and gave Mr. Leadbeater THE 
> IMPRESSION that the Master had visited him.
> 
> Remember that in the Lahore incident that I previouly cited the 
> Master KH came three times on two consecutive nights to see Colonel 
> Olcott and that testimony didn't stop Anand from bringing 
> this "possibility" up and encouraging "true researchers" to consider 
> this "possibility" of HPB creating the whole thing using her psychic 
> powers.
> 
> So if the 1883 Lahore incident was "created" by HPB long distance, 
> why not also Leadbeater's encounters at Adyar????
> 
> And consider one other point.
> 
> Anand's "possibility" actually does away with all evidence that the 
> Masters actually existed.
> 
> And as I said in my posting to Anand which can be found at:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/46744
> 
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> If HPB could indeed "create a form of the Master" and bamboozle
> people into thinking a "real Master visited those individuals", then
> have YOU considered an even MORE thought-provoking possibility?
> 
> Anand, isn't it also possible that there were NO Masters Koot Hoomi
> and Morya and Djual Khool --- no masters at all? They just didn't
> really exist!!!
> 
> H.P. Blavatsky --- being the devious character you have tried to
> portray her as --- simply MADE UP, INVENTED the Mahatmas in the first
> place. And she used this remarkable power to BAMBOOZLE all the
> Theosophists --- Colonel Olcott, A.P. Sinnett, Countess Wachtmeister,
> S. Ramaswamier, William Q Judge, C.W. Leadbeater, Annie Besant and a
> few dozen other people --- into believing they had encountered these
> Mahatmas when in fact they were simply experiencing thought-forms
> created by Blavatsky herself.
> 
> ...If anything, she was THE Mahatma!!!! She simply created the
> other "Masters" to serve her scheme and plan --- whatever that might
> have been!!!!
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> 
> So I hope Anand as a responsible "true researcher" will deal with all 
> of this as outlined above.
> 
> Daniel
> http://hpb.cc
>