Theos-Talk Archives (October 2008 Message tt00734)

Hi John,

Thank you very much for the links. For those interested in this 
subject also documents of the Campaign for the Establishment of a 
United Nations Parliamentary Assembly can throw some light on 
principles for the arrangement of multi-national bodies:

http://en.unpacampaign.org/documents/index.php

Warmest regards,
Anton


--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Augoeides-222@... wrote:
>
> Anton, Eldon, all,
>    I very recently read the Electoral College  pages and 
information on the US Federal Register, for any who may care to read 
our evolution in this topic here are three links;
> 
> The Federal Register:
> 
> >>>http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/<<<
> 
> US Electoral College Provisions of the Constitution
> 
> >>>http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-
college/provisions.html#provisions<<<
> 
> The National Archives of the United States of America
> 
> >>>http://www.archives.gov/index.html<<<
> 
> I hope this is useful for those who woud like definitive 
clarification rather than heresey and rumor.
> 
> And I surmise that the Right Honorable Delahunt will chuckle a 
little.
> 
> Regards,
> John 
> 
> 
> -------------- Original message -------------- 
> From: "Anton Rozman" <anton_rozman@...> 
> Hi Eldon,
> 
> Thank you very much for the article. It was interesting diving into 
> the American President's election system. It would be probably very 
> interesting to experiment with the idea to have in the TS an 
> electoral college consisting out of individual lodges (as 
fundamental 
> units) as districts. 
> 
> I think that major defect in the American system is that election 
> campaign is governed by money and that an independent candidate has 
> no chance against parties' candidates which are supported by big 
> money. So, the great problem is how to give equal chance to all 
> candidates and reduce to the minimum influence of corporate 
financial 
> interests.
> 
> While in American system the outcome depends of the financial 
> background in the TS it seems that depends of the tradition. 
Namely, 
> in the past it was quite usual to have only one candidate running. 
In 
> instances when we had two candidates, as in last elections, and the 
> Society was really confronted with the democratic process and its 
own 
> Rules and Regulations it came to the surface all its incapability 
do 
> decently cope with them. 
> 
> It seems that now all officers would like to let us forget that 
past 
> elections were actually won by "NO THANKS" candidate. There are 
> voices who try to convince us that the TS is in fact democratic 
> organization although its Rules and Regulations are constantly 
> misinterpreted and violated in that or another way. They try to 
> convince us that we have to forget the indecent election process 
> which revealed the actual shameful state of affairs and go back to 
> the business and sweep all under the carpet.
> 
> Well, probably it will not work that way. We have to change our 
> behavior, we have to collaborate and find solutions for change and 
> stop scapegoating.
> 
> Warmest regards,
> Anton
> 
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, MKR <mkr777@> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks Eldon.
> > 
> > It is the timing (soon after election defeat), super secrecy and 
> speed with
> > which the Quartet wanted to revamp everything is seen as trying 
> pull a fast
> > one on the members.
> > 
> > I wish if the whole range of problems were thrown open to member 
> and got the
> > members behind them would have had a good chance of some reform. 
> Today, in
> > my opinion, many members have lost their trust in the leaders and 
> until that
> > is rebuilt (which cannot be done overnight), we cannot expect 
> members'
> > support for any change. This is because of the continuing secrecy 
> and non
> > transparency of the process of the GC makes one wonder what else 
is 
> cooking
> > behind closed doors.
> > 
> > mkr
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On 10/21/08, Eldon B Tucker <write001@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Some of the ongoing debate about the T.S. election and proposals
> > > subsequently circulating made me think of an article I read in
> > > DISCOVER MAGAZINE many years ago. It discusses the mathematics 
> behind
> > > and the reasons for the electoral college in the U.S. 
presidential
> > > elections. It makes a good case that such a system preserves the
> > > rights of minority groups much better than a direct national 
> election
> > > would.
> > >
> > > There are many copies of the article on the internet. One link 
to 
> it I
> > > found has some interesting discussion attached. It's worth 
> reading and
> > > may contribute some ideas to the current discussion.
> > >
> > > http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1234409/posts
> > >
> > > -- Eldon
> > >
> > > 
> > >
> > 
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