Theos-Talk Archives (October 2008 Message tt00704)

And who will make the tea and scones?

Cass



----- Original Message ----
From: "Drpsionic@aol.com" <Drpsionic@aol.com>
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, 20 October, 2008 5:23:31 PM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Horse trading in the Theosophical Society


Ok, let us first be realistic. There are never going to be 150 members in 
the GC because they can't fit them in the meeting room and it would be an 
unwieldy nightmare.

The whole idea of Theosophical Society GC members trading back and forth 
sounds like the story of the three stockbrokers on the desert island who got 
rich trading their hats back and forth.

Chuck the Heretic


In a message dated 10/19/2008 9:20:32 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
AnandGholap@ gmail.com writes:

Horse trading happens when both the parties are having almost equal
votes. In this situation both the parties try to "buy" few elected
members, so that their party gets majority in the parliament. In this
context horses are those individuals who make the difference. And they
are traded means both the parties try to buy them by paying higher
monetary or other benefits so that they would support their party,
giving that party majority. After getting majority in the parliament,
they can pass any law this ruling party wants and they use financial
and other resources for the benefit of the members of the ruling party.
This understanding between horses and parties happens in secrete. And
because they are few individuals, that make all the difference, it
becomes possible to bribe them. But this is not possible if very large
number of voters are electing the President because it is practically
not possible to reach all the members in secrete and bribe them. 
In TS also you will see some individuals who support position of their
boss, on whose favor post and/or salary of these individuals depend. 
A small General Council of 37 has made it highly vulnerable to wrong
practices. 
In fact, secrecy which TS has now, is possible because number of
members in the GC are too small. If they were 150 or so, information
would leak through some members of the GC about what is going on in
the GC.
Best
Anand Gholap

--- In _theos-talk@ yahoogrotheos- t_ (mailto:theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com) , 
MKR <mkr777@...> wrote:
>
> The can create new positions such as Vice Presidents. Call each GS
as Vice
> President and this title is more impressive. Those who are in need of a
> title to impress others, will find it very attractive.
> 
> mkr
> 
> On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 8:03 PM, <Drpsionic@. Dr> wrote:
> 
> > The point is well taken but I have to wonder what horses they
have to
> > trade.
> >
> > What does a member of the GC get in return for supporting a particular
> > position?
> >
> > Chuck the Heretic
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 10/19/2008 2:39:40 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> > AnandGholap@ Ana<AnandGholap% AnandGholap> writes:
> >
> > Few days back MKR talked about possible horse trading in the General
> > Council.
> > I think this is an important point. When few General Secretaries are
> > given authority to elect the President, horse trading might be done by
> > parties in the General Council. In parliamentary democracy horse
> > trading is a common problem.
> > But if large number of people are electing the President, horse
> > trading becomes almost impossible. That means if 30,000 members are
> > electing the president, culprits can't contact and bribe such large
> > number of voters. Also horse trading on such a large scale can not
> > remain secrete.
> > But when few GC members are electing, then there is much possibility
> > of horse trading. I have sometimes seen officers serving their own
> > purpose through the TS. And current attempts by some members to hijack
> > the TS also tells us that there is great danger to the TS from these
> > officers.
> > Therefore it is extremely important that the President of the TS be
> > elected by popular voting i.e. voting by all 30,000 or so TS members.
> > Best
> > Anand Gholap
> >
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