Theos-Talk Archives (October 2008 Message tt00454)

Anand,

Now I see that you have written the following:

-----------------------------------------------------------------
You are trying to prove A.P. Sinnett wrong by giving quotations from
letters that Blavatsky claimed to be from Masters. In reality
authenticity of those letters through Blavatsky is questionable. That
means you can not prove opinions of someone as false by saying "Master
said this in letter XYZ through HPB"
Actually, we are in a situation where there are different persons
claiming to have received letters from the Masters. And these letters
contradict with each other. Recipients themselves accuse other
recipients of producing fake letters.
Blavatsky was in even more advantageous position because she could
materialize any letter, and bring content into it that could support
her own views. You can't bring such materialized letter from Blavatsky
to prove others wrong. She could materialize any thought she wanted in
Master's handwriting and sign it with Master's name.
------------------------------------------------------------

I don't really know exactly where to start answering your comments.

Unfortunately, I don't have the time tonight to go over each 
statement of yours.

It appears that you have piled one assumption on top of another and 
then jumped to this conclusion and then to another.

But let me at least jot down a few thoughts at this time.

Anand, for someone who says that he believes in the actual existence 
of the Masters Koot Hoomi and Morya and also believes in Theosophy, I 
find your "take" and "understanding" on all of this intriguing but 
extremely puzzling.

As one of my correspondents recently wrote to me and I am inclined to 
agree with him, you seem hell bent to try your best to DISCREDIT 
Madame Blavatsky's claims and to cast as much doubt as possible on 
her honesty and integrity and her writings and teachings.

Anand, please tell us:

Who was the person who INTRODUCED the Masters to the world?  Who 
introduced the modern Theosophical teachings to the world?

That person was Helena Petrovna Blavatsky.  Right?

I have found no one prior to Blavatsky mentioning her Masters.  Have 
you?

Blavatsky claimed that she had lived with these Masters and had been 
sent out into the world to tell people about these Masters and to 
give some of their teachings.

Now turning to A.P. Sinnett, Mr. Sinnett had never even heard of 
these Masters or about Theosophy until he read Blavatsky's ISIS 
UNVEILED.

When HPB and Olcott traveled to India, Sinnett wanted to meet the 
Founders and invited them to Allahabad and later to Simla.

And again it was ....  guess who?  .....   H.P. Blavatsky who was 
instrumental in letting Sinnett communicate via correspondence with 
the Masters.

Are you aware that Sinnett was NOT able to communicate directly with 
the Masters?

THEREFORE it was ONLY through these Mahatma letters and what H.P. 
Blavatsky taught him that he learned about the Masters and their 
Theosophical teachings.

Anand, have you read Sinnett's books THE OCCULT WORLD and ESOTERIC 
BUDDHISM?

These two books are BASED on what was given to Sinnett in these 
MAHATMA LETTERS which you are now trying your best to discredit.  

Hundreds if not thousands of people were brought into the 
Theosophical Society as a result of reading Sinnett's two books.  

Even Mr. Leadbeater was introduced to Theosophy and the Masters and 
Madame Blavatsky by reading Sinnett's two books.

Do you agree that Sinnett's understanding of the Masters and of 
Theosophy itself is FOUNDED and BASED on these Mahatma Letters and 
what HPB taught him?

Yes, I do believe that one can consider passages from the Mahatma 
Letters in order to compare and contrast with Mr. Sinnett's later 
views and claims.  

And when Mr. Sinnett and you Anand say that H.P. Blavatsky DISTORTED 
the Masters' thoughts and teachings, or even MADE UP  thoughts and 
teachings and attributed them to the Masters, I think other 
Theosophical students should ask:

How did Sinnett know that?  How did he have access to the Master's 
TRUE thoughts and teachings so that he would be in a position to know 
that HPB had distorted and/or made up teachings, etc.????

How do you Anand know that she DISTORTED as well as FABRICATED 
teachings???  How do you know what the Master's true thoughts and 
teachings are?  

Can you tell us?

Now let us take a few of your comments and look at them:

---------------------------------------------------------
Blavatsky was in even more advantageous position because she could
materialize any letter, and bring content into it that could support
her own views. You can't bring such materialized letter from Blavatsky
to prove others wrong. She could materialize any thought she wanted in
Master's handwriting and sign it with Master's name.
-----------------------------------------------------------

Yes Blavatsky could materialize objects and even letters. She had 
undergone training by the very Masters you say you believe in.

But you have not made a case for your contention that Blavatsky 
could "bring content into it that could support her own views."

I suppose by "bring content" etc. you mean Blavatsky would make up 
statements and pretend they were from the Masters.

But maybe "her own views" on Theosophy and related matters were the 
same as the views of the Masters.  She claimed that she had been 
under the tutelage of Masters Koot Hoomi and Morya for years.  She 
claimed she had been taught Theosophy by those Masters.

Maybe you even doubt those claims of hers.  I don't know....

But Mr. Sinnett believed HPB had been under the tutelage of the 
Masters so ---  I ask  --- why is it so hard for you to believe that 
she might actually know what the teachings of the Masters were???

You also say:

-----------------------------------------------------------
She could materialize any thought she wanted in
Master's handwriting and sign it with Master's name.
-----------------------------------------------------------

Yes, I agree she could if she had wanted to.

But I suppose you are suggesting here that she just made up stuff and 
then attributed it to the Masters although such thoughts weren't from 
the Masters.

But why would she be doing that?  

What would be her motivation to make up stuff and attribute it to her 
Masters?

You haven't made your case for that.

Since you already believe that these Masters were real and that HPB 
was their agent ( I assume you do!!) is it so hard for you to be open 
to the possibility that she was faithfully giving the Masters' 
thoughts and teachings.

Why is it so difficult for you to entertain the thought that 
Blavatsky or some other chela didn't have to make up stuff and 
pretend it was from the Master BECAUSE the Masters in fact dictated 
the material to her or to another chela. 

Notice what Blavatsky herself wrote:

------------------------------------------------------------------
...when a Master says, "I wrote that letter," it means only that 
every word in it was dictated by him and impressed under his direct 
supervision.
-------------------------------------------------------------------

Why is that so hard for you to entertain ....  to consider?

There's a ton of other points to make but I will save those for 
another day.

Daniel
http://hpb.cc