Theos-Talk Archives (October 2008 Message tt00331)

Doesn't string theory explain how gravity-weak force-strong force-and electromagnetism come together at the quantum level explaining how Relativity and Quantum physics explain the unification of the ordered (big)and chaotic (small) come together - although it does require 6 dimensions to do it. The physical and metaphysical?

Cass
Thought you might be interested in this Leon from a poster at theostalk
ILLUMINATING THE AFTERLIFE 

ILLUMINATING THE AFTERLIFE "Zero-point Light": The White Light of 
Death

Most individuals who have a near-death experience see a great white 
light at death. Many describe this light as consciousness emanating 
unconditional love. There actually is such a light and it is "on 
earth as it is in heaven," related to a phenomenon called "zero 
point." 

Studies are revealing that there is a "zero-point energy field" that 
resides in stillness and yet maintains continual motion. Scientists 
have long looked for explanations of what we would call the 
miraculous, and zero-point energy seems to be it. 

The phenomenon begins with chilling something to absolute zero, 
almost three hundred degrees below zero centigrade. Atomic motion 
stopsâbut energy continues. An experiment done by researchers 
including Lene Vestergaard Hau demonstrated that light was frozen to 
a standstill at "zero" velocity or speed, which means that light 
vanished. Its imprint, however, did not! The "disappeared" light 
regenerated when stimulated by yet another light. 

Only quantum theory can explain why the background radiation 
continued to emanateâwhy something can move even when completely 
still. The particles might not be moving directionally, but they 
could flash in and out of existence. The implications of this finding 
are staggering. 

For example, skeptics ask why only some people remember past lives. 
According to researcher Walter Schempp, memory is not stored in the 
brain, but rather in what I call the "genesis field." This field is 
composed of zero-point light. 3Memories of the past, parallel 
existences, ancestral events, or even the future flash in and out of 
existenceâor in this case, awarenessâbased on our relationship with 
the field. If our light is "on," we will remember. When the departing 
soul sees the light, memories flood in. The light from the Source 
frees the soul from its frozen state. 

The fact that we are made of lightâthat the body itself is a 
biophoton organism, has been well established by several researchers, 
including Fritz-Albert Popp. One of Popp's findings was that DNA 
itself is a storehouse of light, or biophoton emissions. 

The more photons that are emitted from an organism's DNA, the higher 
it stands on the evolutionary scale. The zero-point or genesis field 
plays a central role in originating and responding to this internal 
light. If a body of photons internalizes too much or too little light 
from the field, disease results. Popp concluded that organisms are 
healthiest if they rely on a minimum of "free energy." This means 
that they each approach their own zero state, or 
nothingness. 4Essentially, we can, and need to, generate our own 
light. 

This explains how a soul can be integrated into the body one momentâ
and then be gone in the next moment. It is not destroyed; it merely 
blinks into another pocket of the universe. This shows how our 
spirits, with their infinite wisdom, can surround our bodies and why 
sometimes knowledge is availableâand then suddenly, is not available. 
This also reveals the true nature of the White Light: a consciousness 
that operates at zero point produces a zero-point field, and always 
holds us, even when we do not recognize it. ILLUMINATING THE 
AFTERLIFE "Zero-point Light": "The fact that we are made of lightâ
that the body itself is a biophoton organism, has been well 
established by several researchers, including Fritz-Albert Popp. One 
of Popp's findings was that DNA itself is a storehouse of light, or 
biophoton emissions."
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This is the story of the spirit. When you enter the physical realm, 
your spirit "freezes," at least relative to your everyday 
consciousness. You cannot see, hear, or touch it, because you are 
identifying chiefly with the "imprint" that it leaves: your body, 
which is encoded by your soul and mind. At death, a lightâthe White 
Lightâre-stimulates your spirit. The body disappears, not because it 
does not exist anymore but because the more ethereal parts of you, 
such as your soul, reabsorb the body's essential qualities or 
energetic charges. The shift from body to soul is accomplished while 
we are dying and just after the body dies. The transformation from 
soul to spirit usually happens after death through the Planes of 
Light, which expose us to higher and higher frequencies of light. And 
there is yet another energy body that interconnects the physical 
bodywith the soul body. The Ancient Egyptians called it the Ka. The 
Ka is the "light body," and it is fed by light. Most often, the light 
body is not provided the light it needs to generate until we are 
dying, at which time the ill are often described as "glowing." You 
can, however, activate the light body, as well as your physical body, 
through the chakras while you are alive. It is simply a matter of 
knowing how. The most vital entryways for light in the body are the 
chakras and the auric fields. These energy centers not only convert 
low- to high-spectrum light and back again, but also fast- to slow-
moving energy and vice versa.
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http://stpresskit. files.wordpress. com/2008/ 06/the-whte- light.pdf


----- Original Message ----
From: Leon Maurer <leonmaurer@aol.com>
To: SPACETIMEandCONSCIOUSNESS@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, 14 October, 2008 6:19:51 PM
Subject: Theos-World Re: Soul


Rybo and Yanni,

Could it be that the problem in semantics you both have is not 
recognizing the differences (and similarities) between "physical" and/ 
or "metaphysical, " and "material" and/or "substantial" ?

Material things are physical and objective but not metaphysical, yet 
both physical and metaphysical things are substantial in one degree 
or another. Therefore a BEC can be both physical and metaphysical -- 
but not necessarial material. For instance, a metaphysical hyperspace 
field is not material, but is susbstantial (or objective)

Perhaps -- for a logical (rational) universe to forever remain one 
thing-in-itself -- the actual causal progression of anything between 
nothing and everything, could be:
1. Formless but not forceless (insubstantial) absolute space or Aether;
2. metaphysical (subtly substantial) nonmetric, higher order 
(fractally involved) hyperspacetime radiant energy fields;
3. physical (less subtly substantial) metric spacetime radiant energy 
fields, And
4. physical/material (grossly substantial or solid) mass-energy 
standing wave concentrations and combinations (all inorganic and 
organic forms or as Einstein said, "Ponderable matter").

Leon

'Energy is space in motion." - Einstein
"The (immaterial) fields of consciousness are coadunate but not 
consubstantial. " - Blavatsky
"The (phenomenal) consciousness and the matter are dependently 
arising." - Buddha
"I and my Father are one." - Christ
"The Tao is an empty vessel; it is used, but never filled." - Lao Tsu

On Tue Oct 7, 2008 5:02 pm ((PDT)), "rybo6" rybo6@usit.net os_jbug 
wrote:

>
>
> Yanni, communication is dependent on having common agreements of
> definitions.
>
> Yanni, there are things existent as metaphysical and things existent
> as physical i.e. there is metaphysical existence and there is
> physical existence.
>
> I think you are hung on semantic, whatever that is.
>
> The problem is that do appear to be able to distinguish between
> things of metaphysical existence and the existence things of physical
> existence.
>
> You ask new questions but your responded to none of those I asked 
> you.
>
> You gave contradictory statements also.
>
> If we both agree, that we accept there exist things we call physical
> aspects of universe, then gas, plasma, liquid and solid fall into
> that catagory.
>
> That appears to be simple conclusion to me.
>
> Rybo
> On Oct 7, 2008, at 7:37 AM, yanniru@aim. com wrote:
>
>>
>> Rybo,
>>
>> Do metaphysical things exist?
>>
>> I think you are hung up on semantics.
>>
>> Yanni
>>
>>
>> On Oct 6, 2008, at 3:02 PM, John Clem wrote:
>>> Rybo, A BEC is just a state of a plasma, a gas, a liquid or a solid
>>> which could be either physical or not.
>>>
>>
>> I'm sorry Yanni, we appear to have a fundamental differrence of
>> definition here.
>>
>> In no way can a state of plasma, gas, liguid or a solid not be
>> considered as physical.
>>
>> Physical and metaphysical are the first generalized sub-
>> catagorizations of Universe with a capital "U".
>>
>> If we can not come to some aggreements on this then it will only make
>> all future communications more difficult.
>>
>> A gas can kill a person or make them laugh uncontrolably.
>>
>> Plasma can definitely kill any biological.
>>
>> Liguids also can kill or keep biologicals alive.
>>
>> Solids can have many varied affects on biologicals, so Yanni, please
>> do not try and tell me those four are not physical as you appear to
>> suggest at top of this message.
>>
>> Please try and explain yourself as that kind of statement makes no
>> sense to me.
>>
>> Its kinda of like people who say EM-radiation is not physical, oh 
>> yeah
>> (!) well sit out naked in sun for a long enough time to burn some
>> skin and then have those people tell me how EM-Radiation is not
>> physical.
>>
>> Hey, have then stare into a bright sun, without protection, for even
>> shorter periods of time and then have them tell me that visibleEM-
>> radiation is not physical.
>>
>> I think you may get my drift here.
>>
>> If you want me to get yours, again, it will take a whole lot of
>> explaining, by you or someone, tho I doubt anyone can ever convince
>> me that those four, are in anyway, *not* physical.
>>
>> Sincerely, Rybo
>> P.S. more below but my tiime is almost out.
>>>
>>> Ultimately I believe everything is physical. But it is convenient to
>>> say that the known particles and forces are physical and the unknown
>>> particles and forces, are not physical.
>>>
>>
>> Well, if they exist, unknown to humans or not, then they are 
>> physical.
>>
>> You should have stopped with statement, that, "ultimately I believe
>> everything is physical" is best answer you can give, excepting
>> everything that is metaphysical, then we can move on with reasonable
>> conversation.
>>
>> I gotta go now and hope you will respond to this physical and
>> metaphysical definning. I will try to make it to your links at next
>> opportunity.
>>
>> Rybo
>>>
>>>
>>> Regarding propagation speeds being limited to less than the constant
>>> called the speed of light c, there is a wealth of superluminal
>>> theorires and some data.
>>>
>>> Here is a link describing data where a pulse of light leaves a cell
>>> filled with a gas of cesium atoms before it enters it:
>>> http://www.aip. org/pnu/2000/ split/pnu495- 2.htm
>>>
>>> And here is a general discussion of superluminal
>>> light:http://www.wbabin. net/science/ faraj8.htm
>>>
>>> So not only can light be superluminal, it can actually jump ahead in
>>> time. Don't ask me how or why.
>>>
>>> Yanni
>>>
>>> --- In SPACETIMEandCONSCIO USNESS@yahoogrou ps.com, rybo6 <rybo6@...>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Ok Yanni,
>>>>
>>>> "soul" is a micro "gas" mirror of the more metaphysical concept
>>>> of "lifes a gas". :--)
>>>>
>>>> I think it is incorrect to think of Bose-Einstein Condensate as
>>>> *not* be being physical i.e.
>>>>
>>>> "gas", liquids, matter, plasma are aspects of the finite physical
>>>> universe.
>>>>
>>>> Gas, liquids, matter and plasma are limited to propagation speeds
>>>> ergo they are not only pure, instantaneous, metaphysically
>>>> intellectual concepts of Universe.
>>>>
>>>> Rybo

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