Theos-Talk Archives (October 2008 Message tt00216)

Leadbeater is, of course, best considered as comic relief.  But as no  one is 
in a position to know ultimate truth the search must be open ended.
 
What I find more interesting is studying what it was about Leadbeater and  
Besant's time that made people want to take them seriously.  I remember the  
look of absolute horror on the face of one of my fellow Theosophists when, many  
years ago, I said that the whole World Teacher thing was related to the 
Fascist  movements of the time, and then I found a bound volume of the journal of 
the  Order of the Star in the East and when I opened it at random, what should I 
land  on but an article by Mussolini!  But then Mrs. Besant loved Mussolini 
and  it is no accident that there is a very long, two part article praising Il 
Duce's  Italy in The Theosophist of the mid 1920s.
 
Now, how does that relate to our present situation?  We don't really  want 
leaders.  We dislike followers and look down upon them.  And we  distrust 
politics, even politics as impotent and clownish as the internal  machinations of 
the inner circle of the Adyar TS.  I mean, let us be honest  and admit that no 
one is going to be seriously damaged by the way a TS president  is chosen 
unless they are an employee of the society.  Theosophists do not  shun, blackmail 
or attack those they disagree with, at least not normally.   (We have gotten 
the occasional nutcase from the ULT who managed to slip his  keepers, but they 
don't last very long.  Usually they just drown themselves  in pseudo-sanskrit.) 
 In this we are very much products of our time.
 
And Change has become the holy mantra, in the words of one satirist joking  
about Barrack Obama "He'll talk about change 'til your deaf in the ear!"   But 
when it comes to what is to be changed, we hear nonsense about making the  
magazine interesting, never mind that our target audience does not read  
magazines any more. We need to find a way not to put them to sleep with the  videos!  
(And I can imagine a group of people watching the lecture videos  posted on 
Google and betting on which audience members will drop dead before the  talk is 
over.)
 
And there is the fundamental question of is Theosophy even a cause, or  
merely a method, one method among many.  As far as a Theosophical Movement,  that 
has not existed since the 1920s.  It is foolish even to use the term  in 
relation to Theosophy except as it involves the end product of eating too  many 
vegetables.
 
It is one thing to claim that there is an Ancient Wisdom.  It is quite  
another to think that people still write on clay tablets.  
 
Chuck the Heretic
 
 
In a message dated 10/8/2008 11:29:42 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
silva_cass@yahoo.com writes:

 
 
 
OK - a nuovo riche theosophist.  
Truth is truth - it can't be open  ended - it is just relative until it 
becomes absolute-but accepting the claims  made by Leadbeater is not worthy of 
analytical  speculation
Cass

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From: "_Drpsionic@aol.Drp_ (mailto:Drpsionic@aol.com) " <_Drpsionic@aol.Drp_ 
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To: _theos-talk@yahoogrotheos-t_ (mailto:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com) 
Sent:  Thursday, 9 October, 2008 3:25:14 PM
Subject: Re: Theos-World The  Theosophical Society versus the Theosophical 
Cause???

There is no such  thing as a psuedo-theosophist. Theosophy is, in a very 
real sense, open  ended as the search for truth and meaning can have no one 
defined  course.

Chuck the heretic

In a message dated 10/8/2008 6:58:21  P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
silva_cass@yahoo. com writes:

As far as  I am concerned Adyar can sink as deep as Atlantis did - it's 
website is a  selling conduit - I would hate to see the American societies 
close as 
they  keep HPB's cause alive by providing free online access to her works. 
What  they have to decide is whether or not to be purists or psuedo  
theosophists

Cassd

----- Original Message ----
From:  danielhcaldwell <_danielhcaldwell@ danielhca_  
(mailto:danielhcald(mailto:danielhca>
To: _theos-talk@  yahoogrotheos- t_ (mailto:theos-To: _theos-talk@  ya
Sent:  Wednesday, 8 October, 2008 3:03:51 AM
Subject: Theos-World The Theosophical  Society versus the Theosophical 
Cause???

In August, 1889, H.P.  Blavatsky wrote:

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...It is pure nonsense to say that "H.P.B. . . . is loyal to  the
Theosophical Society and to Adyar"(!?). H.P.B. is loyal to death  to
the Theosophical CAUSE, and those great Teachers [the Mahatmas] whose  
philosophy can alone bind the whole of Humanity into one Brotherhood.  
Together with Col. Olcott, she is the chief Founder and Builder of 
the  Society which was and is meant to represent that CAUSE; and if 
she is so  loyal to H. S. Olcott, it is not at all because of his being
its  "President," but, firstly, because there is no man living who has
worked  harder for that Society, or been more devoted to it than the
Colonel, and,  secondly, because she regards him as a loyal friend and
co-worker.  Therefore the degree of her sympathies with
the "Theosophical Society and  Adyar" depends upon the degree of the
loyalty of that Society to the CAUSE.  Let it break away from the
original lines and show disloyalty in its policy  to the CAUSE and the
original programme of the Society, and H.P.B., calling  the T. S.
disloyal, will shake it off like dust from her feet.

And  what does "loyalty to Adyar" mean, in the name of all
wonders? What is  Adyar, apart from that CAUSE and the two (not one
Founder, if you please)  who represent it? Why not loyal to the
compound or the bath-room of Adyar?  Adyar is the present Headquarters
of the Society, because these  "Headquarters are wherever the
President is," as stated in the rules. To be  logical, the Fellows of
the T. S. had to be loyal to Japan while Col.  Olcott was there, and
to London during his presence here. There is no  longer a "Parent
Society"; it is abolished and replaced by an aggregate  body of
Theosophical Societies, all autonomous, as are the States of  America,
and all under one Head President, who, together with H. P.  Blavatsky,
will champion the CAUSE against the whole world. Such is the  real
state of things....
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(http://theosophytru/)   /) st.org/tlodocs/ 
hpb/PuzzleFromAd yar.htm

Daniel
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