Theos-Talk Archives (October 2008 Message tt00166)

Hi Raquel and all,

Thank you very much for excellent common sense perspective. As to 
your point in regard to different teachings I would suggest that we 
examine what F. Pierce Spinks said in his book: Theosophists: Reunite!

In the chapter Comparison of basic teachings

http://www.teozofija.info/Spinks_Theosophists_Reunite_02.htm#/
Comparison

after comparing some basic teachings F. Pierce Spinks concludes: 

It is plain that the basic doctrines dealt with have found complete 
acceptance on the part of the authoritative writers of all 
Theosophical groups. The similarity between the ideas expressed by 
each author quoted, and the words of H.P.B., are quite evident.

Then in Conclusions

http://www.teozofija.info/Spinks_Theosophists_Reunite_04.htm#/
Conclusions

F. Pierce Spinks says: 

? in their hearts all Theosophists really want to promote the best 
interests of the Movement and ? our problems are due to honest, if 
unwarranted, differences of opinion as to what is best for the 
Movement. Of course, people have the right to differ, but this right 
imposes on them the obligation to do so in a manner which is 
constructive.

The Theosophical Society is a philosophical enterprise of such vast 
importance that we cannot afford to dilute its energies by internal 
weaknesses.

The Theosophical edifice must be soundly structured, with all its 
parts in harmonious relationship. It is not up to the Masters to 
restore our integrity. We must advance towards Them, towards the 
position of strength and wisdom from which we retreated.

Despite seeming difficulties we call for an immediate return to the 
integrity, dignity and strength of a reunited Movement, a Movement 
which will truly and effectively serve those Great Men who gave it 
birth and who are even now watching and hoping to see it cleansed of 
its unsatisfactory features so that it may worthily represent them as 
their organ on this earth for useful and practical work among men.

The seriousness of the times and the pitiful sufferings of our 
fellowmen demand, as said, nobility of spirit from all of us. We must 
not wait until it is too late.

Only a truly united Theosophical Movement can hope to take its place 
in a world challenged as never before by dynamic forces. Love is the 
missing link in inter-Theosophical relations.

You must take the initiative in seeking out and finding ways of 
learning and sharing what you hold in mutual high esteem. New 
experiments are needed in an effort to reconcile past differences. No 
doors must be shut because of a belief background. Saturate 
everything you do with the spirit of love and brotherhood. You, the 
members of the Theosophical Society, will then speak with power and 
authority because you will be daily demonstrating that which you 
profess.

A new attack is to be made on ignorance and it will need all members 
of the Theosophical family in ranks that are closed against 
suspicions, doubts, yes, even hatreds of one another. The task ahead 
demands the combined efforts of all of you pulling in one direction 
under a unified command.

You have an obligation to the coming generation of Theosophists and 
to those now unborn to bequeath to them a Movement soundly structured 
in accord with the vision of the Founders, one free of resentments, 
party lines, or any form of bitterness. It must be a Movement wholly 
fit for use by us. The program that lies ahead is too important and 
grand in scope to be circumscribed with limitations imposed by human 
weaknesses and local loyalties.

If you embrace this program then the Theosophical Society will be 
emblazoned on the pages of religious history as a tool of vast 
importance in solving the troubled affairs of men; for it will then 
be worthy of use by Messengers who will use its platform for 
dispelling ignorance - Messengers who will be recognized because all 
their works will breathe beneficence and peace.

We now await the day when you shall have accomplished the plan we 
have just laid before you. We are eager to see it done so that we can 
again come among you and help you. Then and only then can Isis be 
further unveiled. Non-cooperation and disunity mean disintegration 
and death. Unification and harmony mean growth and vital expansion 
beyond your fondest dreams. Lift your hearts to the Light and seize 
with strength and with joy this golden opportunity.

...............

Warmest regards,
Anton


--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Raquel Rodríguez <raquel_rpj@...> 
wrote:
>
> Dear Morten
>  
> I found the letter nº 47, highly interesting, this gives a great 
hope to True Theosophy to continue its true work, as I can see the 
actual TS is really ill from its very inner structure. 
> I give the link here if someone it is interested
> http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/mahatma/ml-47.htm
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> I would like to give my humble opinion as an outside member of the 
society, I migth be totally wrong, but if I can compare analogically 
TS with Architecture I would say, they are so many problems within 
the TS, that it would be difficult to find out how to begin to fixed 
up
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> I am a builder especialized in restoration of old historical 
buildings.
>  
> When a building is to be restored a diagnosis of its pathologies 
must be done, from an especialized architect in order to proceed 
efficiently. An especific order must be followed depending of the 
diagnosis.
> a.- Foundations and main structure (obviously)
> b.- Roof and facades. The first will keep the structure together 
and protected it, The second if not necessary yet, keeps the inner 
repairs away from public. It means, that even when in the inside much 
work has to be done, the general public does not have to be bothered 
from the dust and noise and ugliness of the inner work and at the 
same time, they can have already an idea of how beautiful the 
building will be when it is finished.
> c.- Distribution of space, Inside divisions and finally decoration. 
>  
> Well, for what I have been reading on this forum, the main 
and foundation problem of the TS, 
> a.- Ledbeater and Beasant, or NeoTheosophy, How can a Society be 
united if it is divided in to diametrical opposed teachings?. Or even 
more, they are not diametrical opposed, HPB teaching would be the 
foundation stone and Leadbeater the pathology. This has to be fixed, 
but do not ask me how, I am not an architect. Seems complicated to me 
anyhow, as I ignore many factors. But I can not really understand 
that both teachings are coexisting until today, under the same roof 
of the same society. 
>  
> b.- You mention new teachers are needed. I would compare this with 
roofs and facades.
> I think they are already good teachers, maybe what is wrong is that 
they are not recognized by the whole of the Society as such, and 
that's the problem. General public would get confused and 
contradictory information from different teachers.
>  
> c.- Inside distribution. Actual politics and hierarchization. If 
the first too are solved properly this should not be a great problem, 
of course would be discussion about who would get by the biggest 
window and not everyone would be completely happy, but with unity 
every one should be happy to have a place to develop the work they 
love. and democracy would ensure that every one would have the right 
to, one day, be able to work by the nicest window. 
> However if the first two are not solved it does not matter how many 
discussions, cracks would come out of the walls constantly, does not 
matter how much you paint and leaks out of the ceiling. 
> What it is worst a great deal of energy, that could be conduced on 
a more creative an so for useful way, would be wasted in covering up 
what from the structure is wrong.
>  
> But a pathology I can not really understand in TS, it is what Power 
means for a Theosophist. Is the salary of the president very high or 
the power is about to posses Truth? This is a very preoccupying 
pathology.
>  
> Raquel
> 
> --- El dom, 5/10/08, Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@...> 
escribió:
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> De: Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@...>
> Asunto: Re: Theos-World Power Structures & Theosophical Societies, 
Groups
> Para: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> Fecha: domingo, 5 octubre, 2008 8:02
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> Dear Daniel and all readers
> 
> Yes.
> This link and most of its questions need to be answered:
> "...we have to preach and popularise a knowledge of theosophy."? ??
> http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/theos- talk/message/ 41824
> 
> My views:
> New teachers are needed. And the teaching needs to be clearly 
forwarded again, and again, so that there is no doubt about where the 
various groups are going astray, when they are going astray. This 
aught to be done taking time, place, people and circumstances into 
account. And this is where the skilled teacher is needed, so we all 
can help each other.
> 
> Yet I claim: The Masters have other work going on that most 
theosophist do not have an inkling of even today. (See - Mahatma 
Letters - no 47 - A.T. Barker)
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> Earliere in 2004 I wrote the following at Theos-talk.. ..
> Theosophical thought, Experience and Teaching"There is a vast 
accumulation of theosophical teachings, much of it inwritings, which 
would-be students plough through, looking fortheosophy (Wisdom of the 
Gods), and wondering why it seems,so often, self-contradictory. The 
simple answer is that this materialis largely time-and-culture- 
based. Most of it was prescribed forspecific audiences at certain 
times and under particular conditions.Choosing the relevant materials 
for any time is a specialised task.To try to make sense of all of it 
would be like taking a bundle ofmedical prescriptions, issued over 
the years to a variety of people,and working out one's own therapy 
from such largely irrelevantpapers - and without a certain 
specialised knowledge. TheosophicalTeachin g is PRESCRIBED.Such parts 
of the theosophical Classics, stories, and lettersand lectures and so 
on which apply to the individual and the grouptoday - have to be 
selected and applied consciously
>  and appropriately, by someone who is attuned to certain 
realities."http://www.theosoph y.com/theos- talk/200407/ tt00327.html
> M. Sufilight
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: danielhcaldwell 
> To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com 
> Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 4:38 AM
> Subject: Theos-World Power Structures & Theosophical Societies, 
Groups
> 
> All of the existing Theosophical groups, societies
> and associations (Adyar, Pasadena, ULT, Arcane School, etc.)
> have current "power structures" - any of which may impede or 
obstruct 
> in one way or another a better understanding of Theosophical 
> teachings and history.
> 
> Unfortunately, all of the various Theosophical Societies and
> groups have "mind-sets" which may "mislead" and "confuse"
> inquirers and new students to Theosophy.
> 
> BELOW are some postings I have previously submitted to 
> Theos-Talk which may help interested inquirers and students
> gain a greater understanding of the Theosophical Movement
> as well as any one Theosophical Society or group.
> 
> Daniel
> http://hpb.cc
> 
> Reference Sources on Theosophy Available thru Answers.com
> http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/theos- talk/message/ 41775
> 
> Independent Students & the Theosophical Movement
> http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/theos- talk/message/ 39419
> 
> Ancient Wisdom Revived: A History of the Theosophical Movement
> http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/theos- talk/message/ 40246
> 
> The Theosophical Movement: Suggested Reading
> http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/theos- talk/message/ 41456
> 
> Should an "ideal" Theosophical Society study & "promote" these 
books?
> http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/theos- talk/message/ 40990
> 
> "...we have to preach and popularise a knowledge of theosophy."? ??
> http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/theos- talk/message/ 41824
> 
> One of Konstantin's Statements & Larger Issues
> http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/theos- talk/message/ 41848
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> Don't confuse the Esoteric School with the Theosophical Society
> http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/theos- talk/message/ 40486
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