Theos-Talk Archives (October 2008 Message tt00051)

After receiving such proposal affecting enormously ordinary members of
the TS, what has TS top management done ? They did not even think it
necessary to communicate members that such proposal is in the process
? Does relationship of members and top management end after dues are
paid to the TS ?
I expect that each General Secretary should communicate to all the
members by post about this proposal. It is the duty of management to
communicate to members all such serious matters.

Anand Gholap



--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, MKR <mkr777@...> wrote:
>
> Whatever the nitty gritty of the details of procedures, still most
members
> are still the dark about everything. All the "leaders" are keeping
silent
> and probably talking to each other (most likely by e-mail). Until
they all
> come into open and discuss these things in the public, members do
not know
> what is going on and will have to rely on rumors and grapevine to
get info.
> The divide between members and their leaders need to be bridged. The
leaders
> may have control of the organization and the money, but the real
vitality of
> TS lies in independent, motivated, enthusiastic members at the lodge
level.
> 
> So those who have come to know the recent happenings have to be vigilant
> lest we wake up and be surprised.
> 
> mkr
> 
> On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 3:31 AM, Katinka Hesselink <mail@...
> > wrote:
> 
> >   Hi Anton,
> >
> > I'm not HOPING that the Executive Committee will infringe on the rules
> > and regulations - that's what they seem to be doing. Apparently the
> > executive council decides what will make it onto the agenda, and the
> > majority of the members there decided against it.
> >
> > I have mixed feelings about this. On the one hand I was not looking
> > forward to three months of hoping this proposal would not make it. On
> > the other hand it seems weird (to say the least) that it is not going
> > to be discussed at all.
> >
> > Katinka
> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com>, MKR
> > <mkr777@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Again, lack of transparency is at the bottom of it all. Have you
> > seen that
> > > none of the GC members have said anything about transparency in
a public
> > > forum? Looks like, having used to work in an opaque environment,
> > they are
> > > scared of transparency. Add to this, their avoidance of Internet
> > discussion
> > > groups like this says something about the culture in which they have
> > been
> > > operating. Let us wait and see.
> > >
> > > mkr
> > >
> > >
> > > On 10/1/08, Anton Rozman <anton_rozman@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Katinka and all,
> > > >
> > > > Do you really hope that the Executive Committee will infringe
the TS
> > > > Rules and Regulations?
> > > >
> > > > Now the situation is created in which TS members encourage
members of
> > > > the Executive Committee to continue to act illegally. This is
> > > > perverted situation.
> > > >
> > > > Nevertheless what we think about one of the amendments and
about the
> > > > way in which they were proposed the fact is that they were
submitted
> > > > according to the TS Rules and Regulations. If the proceedings will
> > > > not be respected, than even greater chaos will be created.
> > > >
> > > > Should we not rather hope and help that solid arguments are put on
> > > > the table against the adoption of this amendment. But to
achieve that
> > > > some serious discussion must be encouraged, maybe some
constitutional
> > > > expert opinion acquired, instead of tons of emotional and populist
> > > > words thrown in the ether - although it is understandable that
> > > > members are afraid that they will lose their last illusion
that they
> > > > really have any influence in the present situation at the TS
> > > > Headquarters.
> > > >
> > > > More over, results of your poll show that there is high
percentage of
> > > > support for other amendments in the package which tends to improve
> > > > the management of the TS.
> > > >
> > > > But I am afraid that in this overheated situation we are
missing some
> > > > important issues: will the General Council discuss and adopt new
> > > > policy for the coming years, will the General Council discuss and
> > > > meet the demands for greater transparency and communication,
will the
> > > > General Council establish its own constitutional role and that
of the
> > > > Executive Committee, and so on. But maybe this is what all is
about.
> > > >
> > > > Warmest regards,
> > > > Anton
> > > >
> > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
<theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com><theos-talk%
> > 40yahoogroups.com>,
> > "Katinka
> > > > Hesselink" <mail@>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > One of my informants told me the proposal we have been
talking about
> > > > > recently ( see:
http://www.squidoo.com/theosophical-organisation-
> > > > 08 )
> > > > > is off the table. That is: it has not been included in the
agenda
> > > > for
> > > > > the General Council meeting, even though it has been
submitted in
> > > > time.
> > > > >
> > > > > This gives us some idea of the way our officers in the executive
> > > > > council work together.
> > > > >
> > > > > However, it also means that our right to vote stands and seems
> > > > > unlikely to even be officially contested.
> > > > >
> > > > > I hope my information is correct.
> > > > >
> > > > > Katinka Hesselink
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> >
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> >
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