Theos-Talk Archives (October 2008 Message tt00025)

TS grew in leaps and bounds when there was no money. According to Emily
Lutyens, the problem started with Mrs. Dodge, a very wealthy american,
started funding any project anyone broght to her. In due course, sections
accumulated property and money and when you mix money with theosophy, it is
a very combustible mixture. I think what we are seeing are the results. The
present GC changes were from TS in America which has the largest bank
balance.

mkr


On 10/1/08, Cass Silva <silva_cass@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>   Nobody knows if we will all be out with the begging bowls soon - perhaps
> the TS leadership debarcle can save the world from poverty
>
> Cass
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: nhcareyta <nhcareyta@yahoo.com.au <nhcareyta%40yahoo.com.au>>
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, 2 October, 2008 11:45:30 AM
> Subject: Theos-World Re: "Mindset" of current Adyar TS officials/leaders
> influenced by......?
>
> Dear Daniel and All
>
> Daniel, you have reminded us again of a matter of
> potentially greatest significance for any genuine
> truth-seeker, that of mindset.
>
> How we think and why we think the way we do,
> is of paramount importance on our spiritual journey.
> It impacts on every opinion we hold and, perhaps
> most importantly, on every decision we make.
>
> As with our individual journey, so too organizations,
> made up of individuals, must attend to a process of
> self-reflection and analysis.
>
> As Betty Bland writes in a recent article
> "Butterflies Are Not Free", both Theosophy and the
> science of chaos theory suggest, "If a butterfly
> flutters its wings in China, there will be a powerful
> hurricane in the Atlantic."
> This affirms that each action, however small,
> contributes to the whole effect and moreover that
> each tiny action has a substantially greater effect
> further along the chain.
>
> The current election difficulties of the Theosophical
> Society (Adyar) has brought forth demands from
> such current and past leaders as Bishop Pedro Oliviera,
> Dr John Algeo and Miss Joy Mills for the freedoms
> of thought and expression of individual members
> of their Society to be uppermost in the minds of
> elected officials.
>
> This is highly commendable, deserving of the
> most sincere support. Openness and frankness,
> transparency and freedom are fundamental to
> Theosophy's mandate.
>
> However, from my experience in the Adyar Society
> this is not always the case.
> To offer one example, nowhere in any official
> Society newsletter or publication have I seen or
> read an article severely critical of Bishop
> Leadbeater, his writings or behaviour.
> Indeed, in recent years a past contributor to this
> forum was disallowed to rejoin his membership
> of the Adyar Society due to his challenges involving
> Bishop Leadbeater.
> Why might this be so?
>
> Bishop Leadbeater was a proven, compulsive liar.
> Does this matter? Yes it should for an organization
> dedicated to the search for Truth, which includes
> honesty and openness.
>
> He comprehensively contradicted and misrepresented
> teachers he claimed to represent.
> Does this matter? Once again, yes it should for the
> aforementioned reasons.
>
> He made fantastical "clairvoyant" claims that have
> subsequently been proven to be a fantasy of his
> own mind.
> Should this matter? Certainly, if only for the
> reputation of genuine Theosophy.
>
> He climbed naked into bed with naked young boys
> in his care. Should this matter? Surely a response
> is not required? * See below.
>
> Given the immense influence Bishop Leadbeater's
> writings have on new and some older students,
> shouldn't these matters be regularly aired within the
> Adyar Society to ensure that truth, openness and
> transparency remain uppermost in the minds of its
> leaders. This would ensure its members are fully
> informed, most especially because that Society
> publishes, promotes and sells his works?
>
> Or has the mindset of blind, ill-considered,
> obedient devotion or a perverted sense of
> "freedom" clouded their judgement?
>
> Or indeed, is there an unwritten rule to protect
> Bishop Leadbeater and his past and present devotees
> because they make up a not insignificant proportion
> of interested students in the Adyar Society?
>
> If this is the case, and the Theosophical teachings of
> interconnectedness, interrelatedness and
> interdependence (chaos theory) are true, surely leaders'
> mindsets supporting this subterfuge cannot therefore claim
> not to have contributed in part to the current political
> situation where transparency and the free rights of
> members are allegedly being denied?
>
> Regards
> Nigel
>
> * For those who have in the past suggested that
> Bishop Leadbeater was training his children in
> sex magic, may I offer this perspective.
> Sex magic involves highly complex and concentrated
> rituals and formulae used within a ceremonial setting.
> It has nothing to do with a male adult getting into bed
> with a young male child and engaging in masturbation,
> a practice Bishop Leadbeater admitted.
> Bishop Leadbeater was a paedophile.
> Those who dispute this, please study the subject.
>
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, "danielhcaldwell"
> <danielhcaldwell@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > Nigel Carey once wrote on Theos-Talk
> > about "the blindly, obedient mindset" to be found
> > among some Adyar TS members.
> >
> > Now we find on Theos-Talk a great deal of discussion and
> > even complaining, etc. about how elected leaders and officials act
> or
> > don't act in conducting the business of the Adyar T.S.
> >
> > I ask: Have the "mindsets" of these elected leaders
> > and officials been created and influenced by the "thought
> atmosphere"
> > engendered by C.W. Leadbeater and Annie Besant?
> >
> > Or at least to some degree?
> >
> > CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING OUTSTANDING EXAMPLES:
> >
> > What kind of "mindset" was C.W. Leadbeater encouraging
> > when he declared the following???
> >
> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- -----
> > What can I say to you of your [T.S.] President [Annie
> > Besant] that you do not know already? Her colossal
> > intellect, her unfailing wisdom, her unrivalled
> > eloquence, her splendid forgetfulness of self,
> > her untiring devotion of work for others - all
> > these are but a small part of her greatness;
> > they are on the surface, they may be seen by all,
> > they leap to the eyes. But there are other qualities,
> > other powers, of which you cannot know, because they
> > pertain to the secrets of Initiation. She is a
> > pupil of our Masters; from the fount of Their
> > archaic wisdom she derives her own, the plans which
> > she is carrying out are Their plans for the welfare
> > of the world. THINK THEREFORE, HOW GREAT AN
> > HONOUR IT IS FOR YOU that you should be permitted
> > to work under her, for in doing so you are virtually
> > working under Them. THINK HOW WATCHFUL YOU SHOULD
> > BE TO MISS NO HINT WHICH FALLS FROM HER LIPS, to carry
> > out EXACTLY whatever instructions she may give to you.
> >
> > Remember...there will be times when you cannot
> > understand her motives, for she is taking into account
> > many things which you cannot see and of which
> > she must not tell you. BUT WHETHER YOU UNDERSTAND
> > OR NOT, YOU WILL BE WISE TO FOLLOW HER IMPLICITLY, JUST
> > BECAUSE SHE KNOWS.
> >
> > THIS IS NOT MERE SUPPOSITION ON MY PART, NO MERE
> > FLIGHT OF THE IMAGINATION; I HAVE STOOD BESIDE YOUR
> > PRESIDENT IN THE PRESENCE OF THE SUPREME DIRECTOR
> > OF EVOLUTION ON THIS GLOBE, AND I KNOW WHEREOF I
> > SPEAK. Let the wise hear my words, and act accordingly.
> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------
> >
> > [Caps added. Quoted from Adyar Album, p. 45.]
> >
> > It might be noted here that one of the HINTS that fell from
> > Mrs. Besant's lips (or at least came from her pen!) was as follows:
> >
> > "By hard, patient work he [C.W. Leadbeater] has won
> > rewards . . . until he stands perhaps the most trusted of his
> > Master's disciples ON THE THRESHOLD OF DIVINITY."
> > [The Theosophist, November 1911, p. 308 Caps added.]
> >
> > And in 1925 Annie Besant herself said the following to the
> > Theosophical world and members of the Adyar T.S.:
> >
> > "And now I have to give you, by command of the King, His message,
> > and some of the messages of the Lord Maitreya and His great
> > Brothers. . . what I am saying, as to matter of announcement, is
> > definitely at the command of the King whom I serve.
> >
> > His taking possession of His chosen vehicle . . . will be soon.
> > Then He will choose, as before, His twelve apostles . . . and their
> > chief, the Lord Himself. He has already chosen them, but I have only
> > the command to mention seven who have reached the stage of
> Arhatship,
> > Who were the 'Arhats'?
> >
> > The first two, my brother Charles Leadbeater and myself, . . . C.
> > Jinarajadasa, . . . George Arundale, Oscar Kollerstrom, . . .
> Rukmini
> > Arundale....
> >
> > I left out one and must leave out another. Naturally, our
> > Krishnaji [Jiddu Krishnamurti] was one, but he is to be the vehicle
> > of the Lord. And the other is one who is very dear to all of us, as
> > to the whole Brotherhood: Bishop James Wedgwood. He had borne his
> > crucifixion before the seal of Arhatship was set upon him by his
> King.
> > Those are the first seven of the twelve whom He has chosen, with
> > Himself as the thirteenth. 'Ye call me Master and Lord, and ye do
> > well, for so I am.'
> >
> > Now the wonder may come into your mind: H.P.B. was the only one
> > who was really announced as the messenger of the Master. Since then
> > the world has grown a good deal, and it is possible that while the
> > few may be repelled, many thousands will be attracted to the
> > Christ. . . . Whatever the effect, since He has said it, it is
> > done. . ."
> >
> > The Theosophist, November, 1925
> >
> > Daniel
> > http://hpb.cc
> >
>
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