Theos-Talk Archives (October 2008 Message tt00012)

Your points are well taken.

What are the leaders afraid of in discussing the issues here. In the days of
HPB and AB, highly controversial topics relating to TS were discussed in the
journals and magazines of the day.

If you are on a strong ground, then one can fearlessly talk about your views
and plans. On the contrary, I think all the old leaders got too much used to
discussing important matters in the secrecy of their closed group and they
need to come out and discuss in this no holds barred uncensored forum such
as this.

I had some messages from a couple of TS members on current issues.
I encouraged them to sign up here and post their views so that we can all
freely discuss and some good outcome will come out them.

For those of us who have used Internet, we can see how it has changed the
world of communication. Why not use it for the welfare of TS in an open
way?

I also feel that an open forum is lot more powerful and effective than a
closed one.

mkr


On 10/1/08, sampsakuukasjarvi <sampsakuukasjarvi@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>   Erica told already earlier (see the link below) that the amendments
> have not been included on the agenda. It seems that this is the
> information that the General Secretaries have gotten.
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/45950
>
> What is the reason for that? Didn't the proposals come on time til
> the end of September? In my opinion all issues must be discussed even
> if they were not well formulated or thought. Anton is right, we don't
> want anarchy.
>
> There must be transparency. If the members of the General Council or
> Executive Committee don't want to discuss issues here, they must
> found a site where they tell what is going on.
>
> I claim there is a very big transparency problem in both "camps".
> Strangely and sadly, Algeo's camp didn't discuss the amendments
> beforehand, not even with other General Council members, not to
> mention ordinary members. The administration camp in Adyar is even
> more closed.
>
> Here are the letters that were sent by John Algeo and Joy Mills to
> the Executive Committee:
> http://www.theosophyforward.com/
>
> I am told that the Executive Committee never replied to these
> letters. Is it true? How could it be possible?
>
> And who is the new International Secretary mentioned by Algeo in his
> statement? Why has his/her name not been told?
>
> We need new people to lead the TS! This whole mess would not have
> occurred if there had been openness. If there will not be more
> openness pretty soon, I believe there will be many people who will
> leave the TS.
>
> Openness and peace,
>
> Sampsa, just a member from Finland
>
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com>, "Anton
> Rozman" <anton_rozman@...>
> wrote:
>
> > Nevertheless what we think about one of the amendments and about
> the
> > way in which they were proposed the fact is that they were
> submitted
> > according to the TS Rules and Regulations. If the proceedings will
> > not be respected, than even greater chaos will be created.
> >
> > Should we not rather hope and help that solid arguments are put on
> > the table against the adoption of this amendment. But to achieve
> that
> > some serious discussion must be encouraged, maybe some
> constitutional
> > expert opinion acquired, instead of tons of emotional and populist
> > words thrown in the ether - although it is understandable that
> > members are afraid that they will lose their last illusion that
> they
> > really have any influence in the present situation at the TS
> > Headquarters.
>
> 
>


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