Theos-Talk Archives (October 2008 Message tt00006)

CONCERNED MEMBERS REPLY IN ALL CAPS, PLEASE MAKE NOTE.

EVENTS SINCE DECEMBER 2007
 
The proposed rule changes need to be seen in the light of recent historical perspective.
 
In the recent International President election, a well coordinated
effort was made by some to defeat Radhaji, by spreading erroneous
information that she not be elected because she is physically and
mentally sick. Even when incontrovertible evidence was publicly
presented to disprove it, no effort was made to correct the erroneous
information so that members would have correct information.
Fortunately, Radhaji was elected with a wide margin. 

NO ONE KNOWS FOR SURE HOW MANY MEMBERS IN INDIA ARE REALLY ELIGABLE TO
VOTE.    WHY DID ADYAR BURN THE VOTES, WHAT IS THE RAHDHA
ADMINISTRATION HIDING. I THINK THESE E-MAILS SHOULD POINT TO THE
SECRECY AND THE DECEPTION OF THE RADHA BURNIER ADMINISTRATION WHICH HAS
BEEN ENTRENCHED FOR OVER 30 YEARS.

After the election, I have not seen the losing candidate PUBLICLY
congratulating Radhaji and wholeheartedly committing to cooperate and
support her in her job.. I live in the USA, and it is a longtime
tradition even among bitter rival candidates to come out openly and in
public to congratulate and support the winner. This is amazing. I am
just giving you the facts. You can come to your own conclusion.
  
WHY WOULD A HANGED MAN WANT TO CONGRATULATE THE HANGMAN? WE KNOW THAT THE RADHA ADMINISTRATION WILL SECRETLY OUST HIM FROM HIS POSITION, JUST LIKE THEY DID WITH ALL HIS SUPPORTERS WORKING IN GOOD FAITH AT ADYAR. THEY WERE ASKED TO LEAVE AND MADE HOMELESS IN SHORT NOTICE. IS THIS A BROTHERLY ACT? 

Recently we all were surprised that a proposal containing radical and
fundamental changes were developed in great secrecy and was sent to the
GC to be considered and approved in the December 2008 meeting.
Accidentally the proposal came out to the public to the shock of
everyone and if it had been approved, it would be a disaster to the TS
and its future.
 
THE CURRENT POLICES OF THE GENERAL COUNCIL AND THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE
IS ALL RADHA'S DOING, NO ONE ELSE, NO GENERAL SECRETARY OF ANY ONE
COUNTRY. WHY IS THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE EXCEEDING ITS AUTHORITY AND
ISSUING EDICTS TO NATIONAL SECTIONS IT HAS NO AUTHORITY OVER. 
MR. MK IF YOU REALLY WANT SOME SECRET STUFF, THEN SEND YOUR SPIES INTO THE RECORD KEEPING, OR LACK THERE OF, AT ADYAR. 

It is to be noted here that the leaders who are behind the radical rule
change proposal mentioned above are the same ones who supported the
losing candidate and also tried to defeat Radhaji by spreading
erroneous information on her health.

WHY DID RADHA BURNIER CANCEL HER PLANNED VISITS TO KROTONA AND THE
INTER-AMERICAN FEDERATION MEETING AT THE AMERICAN NATIONAL HEADQUARTERS
THIS PAST SEPTEMBER. IF SHE IS THE EPITOME OF HEALTH, THEN WHY IS SHE A
NO SHOW? IS SHE HIDING SOMETHING? JUST LIKE HER EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE AND
OTHER LACKY'S?

MK, YOU ARE BARKING UP THE WRONG TREE. THE WHOLE IDEA OF ONE INDIVIDUAL
BEING PRESIDENT FOR LIFE IS AN ARCHAIC ONE. RAHDA IS NO MORE SPIRITUAL
THAN YOU OR I. WE ARE ALL HUMAN AND ON THE SAME PATH. HAS SHE EVER
MATERIALIZED LIKE A MAHATMA. SHE IS A LINK TO OUR VICTORIAN PAST, A
MEMBER OF A FAMILY WHO HAS HAD ITS ADYAR IN ITS GRIP FOR GENERATIONS.
TIME FOR A CHANGE, TIME TO SHARE THE LEADERSHIP, TIME TO COME INTO THE
21ST CENTURY. THE OLD WAYS NEED TO DIE INORDER TO MAKE ROOM FOR THE
NEW. I HOPE YOU ARE UNBIASED IN YOUR ASSERTIONS. 
 
SUPPORT THOSE WE HAVE DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED AND TRUST THAT THEY CAN DO
THEIR JOBS TO THE BEST OF THEIR ABILITY. AS THE MASTERS SAY: SUCCESS IS
NOT THE GOAL, IT IS ONLY TO TRY. SO YOU ARE GOING TO BLAME SOMEONE FOR
TRYING. AND ARE YOU GOING TO PUNISH THEM LIKE THE ADMINISTRATION IN ADYAR LIKES TO DO BECAUSE THEY HOLD A DIFFERENT OPINION. WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO FREEDOM OF THOUGHT? AND MUTUAL RESPECT FOR ONE ANOTHER'S DIFFERENCES. 

WHERE IS YOUR BROTHERHOOD AND HUMANITY UNKIND SIR?

 
I am presenting the above so that all of us can see the landscape
ourselves and come to our own conclusion. Members' action is needed now.
TRANSPARENCY

THE INTERNATIONAL BYLAWS ARE IN SORE NEED OF BEING UPDATED. TO BENEFIT ALL, JUST NOT A FEW.
 
Also, all of the above point to one thing and one thing only. The
immediate need for full transparency. Tranparency will be a protection
against ill conceived actions of elected officials which can destroy TS
as we know it. If members, you and me, are not extra vigilant,
decisions will be taken behind our backs and we will become powerless
to do anything, other than leaving the TS.
  
I DEMAND TO SEE THE RECORDS OF THE INDIAN SECTION TO BE ABLE TO SCRUTINIZE THEM TO SEE IF ALL FAMILY MEMBERS ARE MEMBERS WITH VOTING ELIGIBILITY WHEN THERE IS ONE MEMBERSHIP PAID FOR. 

I WANT TO SEE YOU PUBLISH THE BYLAWS OF THE INDIAN SECTION ON YOUR WEBSITE. OR ARE YOU TOO IN BED WITH THE CURRENT INTERNATIONAL ADMINISTRATION TO BE OBJECTIVE AS YOU ARE LEADING PEOPLE TO BELIEVE. 

In my humble opinion, it is time for us to wake up and contact our
elected officials and let them know your concerns and urge them the
need for immediate action before it is too late.

DEAR SIR, YOUR OPINION  HAS NEVER BEEN HUMBLE, IF IT WERE YOU WOULD NOT BE WALLOWING IN ALL THE ATTENTION YOU AND CONTROVERSY ARE GENERATING WITH YOUR ERRONEOUS AND ONE SIDED POINT OF VIEW. EVEN A LEDGER HAS A SIDE FOR DEBITS AND CREDITS FOR EVERY ACCOUNT, WHERE IS THE BALANCE?
 
Fraternally yours, M K Ramadoss, Member TS, San Antonio, Texas USA
Note: You are free to disseminate and distribute this message to
others, in whole or in part in any manner you deem necessary. FURTHER
INFORMATION: 

BY THE WAY, THIS E-MAIL HAS BEEN SENT TO NUMEROUS UNDISCLOSED RECIPIENTS. :)

IT IS TIME THAT THE INTERNATIONAL LEADERSHIP CHANGE AND THAT LIMITS BE PUT ON THE ELECTED OFFICIALS TERM, JUST LIKE IT IS IN ALL THE SECTIONS. DIVINE RIGHT RULE WENT OUT WITH THE WARS OF THE MID 19TH AND EARLY 20TH CENTURY. 

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---------------- SPECIAL BLOG & POLL OF REPONSES CLICK HERE TO
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----- Original Message ----
From: MKR <mkr777@gmail.com>
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 1, 2008 8:24:33 AM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: TS at a Critical Juncture


Thanks for pointing out.

I think the rules should be on every TS website. No reason not to be made
available.

mkr

On 10/1/08, Katinka Hesselink <mail@katinkahesseli nk.net> wrote:
>
>   Hi MKR,
>
> You quote a paragraph from the rules of the general council which is
> from the 1905 rules.
>
> http://www.katinkah esselink. net/his/rules. htm
>
> More recent rules can be found here:
>
> http://eletzerich. wordpress. com/internationa l-by-laws/
>
> Katinka Hesselink
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com <theos-talk% 40yahoogroups. com>, MKR
> <mkr777@...> wrote:
> >
> > September 30, 2008
> >
> > Dear Brothers and Sisters:
> >
> > The current situation in TS is far more critical than meets the eye.
> Let me
> > go over why I came to this conclusion.
> >
> > A LOOK AT TS RULES
> >
> > Look around Internet and you will not be able to find the current TS
> rules
> > online in any official website. So, outside of the GC, we have no
> means of
> > knowing what the current rules are. This is contrary to what used to
> happen
> > during Olcott's time.
> >
> > In 1896 when the rules were revised, Olcott issued an Executive
> Order which
> > stated:
> > *
> >
> > "The undersigned publishes for the information of members the text
> of Rules
> > revised and adopted this day."
> > *(Note this was addressed to members.)
> >
> > When have you seen such a statement in recent times? Rules have been
> > changed/modified as recent as 2006, and we do not know what the
> changes are
> > and why. There was no announcement of the changes either. In the
> Internet
> > age, it is very easy, cheap and quick to distribute this kind of
> > information. They are not confidential information that need to be
> > restricted to the GC members only.
> >
> > ONE CRITICAL RULE.
> >
> > Let me quote Rule 3, (I copied from Katinka's website) which is very
> > important:
> >
> > +++++
> >
> > 3. Removal of General Council members and officers
> > *
> >
> > It shall be competent for the General Council to remove any of its
> members,
> > or any officer of the Society excepting the President of the
> Theosophical
> > Society and excepting the General Secretaries of National Societies,
> by a
> > three-fourths majority or its whole number of members, at a special
> meeting
> > called for the purpose, of which at least three months' notice shall
> have
> > been given, the quorum consisting, however, of not fewer than five
> members.
> > *
> >
> > +++++
> >
> > This means President and General Secretaries cannot be removed by GC.
> > Whoever put this rule had great foresight.
> >
> >
> >
> > PROPOSED RULE CHANGES
> >
> > Recently a proposal was sent to the GC in greatest secrecy. Its aim
> is to
> > change the rules upside down and also disenfranchise members from
> directly
> > voting for the International President. The plan of the proposers is
> to get
> > them adopted in December 2008 meeting before members had a chance to
> find
> > out. Due to the good luck of the TS, the cat was out of the bag and
> we are
> > discussing them, courtesy of Internet.
> >
> > If you accept the premise that GC is all powerful and can change any
> rule at
> > its whim, then we are in a dangerous slippery slope. Next change can
> be that
> > the International President, can also be removed by the GC for any
> reason.
> > Such a change will make the GC dictatorial and feared body and the
> President
> > would end up as its puppet. It would be disastrous to TS.
> >
> >
> >
> > EVENTS SINCE DECEMBER 2007
> >
> >
> >
> > The proposed rule changes need to be seen in the light of recent
> historical
> > perspective.
> >
> >
> >
> > In the recent International President election, a well coordinated
> effort
> > was made by some to defeat Radhaji, by spreading erroneous
> information that
> > she not be elected because she is physically and mentally sick. Even
> when
> > incontrovertible evidence was publicly presented to disprove it, no
> effort
> > was made to correct the erroneous information so that members would have
> > correct information. Fortunately, Radhaji was elected with a wide
> margin.
> >
> > After the election, I have not seen the losing candidate PUBLICLY
> > congratulating Radhaji and wholeheartedly committing to cooperate and
> > support her in her job.. I live in the USA, and it is a longtime
> tradition
> > even among bitter rival candidates to come out openly and in public to
> > congratulate and support the winner. This is amazing. I am just
> giving you
> > the facts. You can come to your own conclusion.
> >
> >
> >
> > Recently we all were surprised that a proposal containing radical and
> > fundamental changes were developed in great secrecy and was sent to
> the GC
> > to be considered and approved in the December 2008 meeting.
> Accidentally the
> > proposal came out to the public to the shock of everyone and if it
> had been
> > approved, it would be a disaster to the TS and its future.
> >
> >
> >
> > It is to be noted here that the leaders who are behind the radical rule
> > change proposal mentioned above are the same ones who supported the
> losing
> > candidate and also tried to defeat Radhaji by spreading erroneous
> > information on her health.
> >
> >
> >
> > NEED ACTION NOW
> >
> >
> >
> > I am presenting the above so that all of us can see the landscape
> ourselves
> > and come to our own conclusion. Members' action is needed now.
> >
> > TRANSPARENCY
> >
> >
> >
> > Also, all of the above point to one thing and one thing only. The
> immediate
> > need for full transparency. Tranparency will be a protection against ill
> > conceived actions of elected officials which can destroy TS as we
> know it.
> > If members, you and me, are not extra vigilant, decisions will be taken
> > behind our backs and we will become powerless to do anything, other than
> > leaving the TS.
> >
> >
> >
> > In my humble opinion, it is time for us to wake up and contact our
> elected
> > officials and let them know your concerns and urge them the need for
> > immediate action before it is too late.
> >
> >
> >
> > Fraternally yours, M K Ramadoss, Member TS, San Antonio, Texas USA
> Note: You
> > are free to disseminate and distribute this message to others, in
> whole or
> > in part in any manner you deem necessary. FURTHER INFORMATION:
> >
> > ------------ ----- After the TS President Elections 2008
> >
> >
> *http://www.teozofij a.info/Teozofsko _gibanje/ After_Elections_ 2008.htm*<
> http://www.teozofij a.info/Teozofsko _gibanje/ After_Elections_ 2008.htm>
> >
> > ------------ ---- SPECIAL BLOG & POLL OF REPONSES CLICK HERE TO
> EXPRESS YOUR
> > OPINION AND READ WHAT OTHERS HAVE SAID. (click link)
> >
> >
> *http://www.squidoo. com/theosophical -organisation- 08*<
> http://www.squidoo. com/theosophical -organisation- 08>
> > Erica's Link:
> *http://eletzerich. wordpress. com/*<http://eletzerich. wordpress. com/>
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
> 
>

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